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Roulette "Hit & Run"....until when?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by mr j, Sep 14, 2017.

  1. mr j

    mr j Well-Known Member

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    I admit, I am in the middle with this hit & run jazz.

    My biggest issue, run until when? When is it SAFE (lol) to play again?

    24 hours, 17 hours, 29 hours? What about, one hour but I switched tables? Am I still in "hit & run" mode?

    Ken
     
  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    According to my calculations...provided that you can run at 11 miles per hour... it's exactly 28.73714 hours.
    And...you must switch tables. Otherwise it's 37.6323456457 hours.

    Good luck.

    -Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone
     
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    Well, there goes my secret way of playing.

    Ken
     
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  6. RouletteGhost

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    It's common sense that short play makes you less susceptible to the house edge.

    The longer you play the more the house has the chance to take you. Doesent matter how YOU feel about it, hit and run scientifically makes sense.
     
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  7. mr j

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    What about the logic, many short sessions will equal a long session regardless. Also, you did not answer my question. At what point is it SAFE to play again?

    Ken
     
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    hit and run is useless, except maybe to help you gain your composure if you just suffered a relentless downturn at the table.

    so to answer your question, it would be safe to return after a visit to the toilet, a meal, a drink or two, a nice chat with friends, and perhaps a short walk out in the fresh air.
     
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    Why is it, that the less someone knows about the math/basic probability, the more certain they are that everyone else that does understand it is wrong?
     
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    Thats the thing about RouletteGhost. I dont hate the guy even though I sometimes act like it.

    My issue with him (and some others), is that they *REFUSE* to put away their stubbornness and listen to others that know more. Even Bombus....him and I are not pals but he is in the top 5% (imo) and I am at least open to hear what the guy has to say.

    Not RG. He fuckin knows it all and you cant tell him a thing. He acts like he's on MY level and its insulting as all hell.

    Ken
     
  11. RouletteGhost

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    I am correct though

    The house edge is calculated on long term play

    Hit and run reduces exposure and limits the effect of the house edge on the player.

    Experienced cats such as yourselves should know this.
     
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    The house edge is calculated on EVERY PLAY, long term and short. Get it right!
     
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    Well put jbs.

    See what I mean? You cant tell RG a thing. He is unwilling to learn.

    Ken
     
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  14. RouletteGhost

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    Of course there is a house edge on every spin

    The payout tells you that

    The argument I'm making is limiting exposure being beneficial to avoiding the house edge from catching up

    If you walk up to a table and play Marty on black chances are you will win. If you do this all day you will lose

    Limiting exposure definitely helps avoid the house edge biting you

    Hit and run has its benefits

    Don't the math gurus say "will lose in the long run"

    They say that because long term play is a guaranteed loss due to the house edge that we can't mathematically overcome
     
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    That's probably the problem with understanding why "hit and run" is useless.
    It can happen when you "walk up to the table" too - it's not an event that will only happen in 10 hours, etc.
    It can happen right from the start - and then you're done.
    I said it before and you can take it to the bank - or write it down so 20 years from now people can say "Heck, Turbo was right lol".
    1) entry and or exit points are completely useless, the math doesn't change regardless of when you start or stop
    1a) "triggers" on when to bet are useless. (see above)
    2) changing tables, changing casinos is useless, it's a math game.
    3) Hit and run (basically all of the above combined) is useless. The run from hell or the amazing run from heaven where you win every spin can happen as soon as you stop playing. You HAVE to formulate a way to play every spin.
    4) Past spins are useless - each spin is independent. This doesn't mean much unless you are tracking spins, waiting for x,y and/or z to happen before you start playing. Which you shouldn't be doing.

    And even with all of the above rules in place - the HG is there, it isn't based on any of these things.
    If your system or method is grounded in any of the 4 above, it's a waste of your time - which you're free to waste of course - just remember in the end that someone said so.

    Limiting exposure isn't a "thing". The exposure is every spin, the exposure doesn't change.
    Analogy - a scientist is going into a room flooded with radiation.
    According to this way of thinking - you can jump in the room and then jump out 30 seconds later and you'll likely be ok. You can do this once per day for months......... and you'll die.
    Another scientist goes into the same room and stays there - he dies. Yep, doesn't really matter - one dies sooner than the other but the end result is that they are both dead. Prolonging the event doesn't stop it from happening - and it doesn't make the time spent waiting for it to happen because you popped in and out of the room any less appealing.
    Cheers.
     
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    Yep yep and yep again.
     
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    What do you mean by hit and run?
    How can someone hit and run?
     
  18. mr j

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    This is important. I'll tell you what I think the mindset is for RG and this is *NOT* an insult so dont take it as such.

    He sits down and does his buy in, ready to start!

    I think he sees it as....the clock is NOW starting. The house edge has now begun, like starting from zero.
    Back in the day, I also viewed it as such.

    Ken
     
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    If you walk up and make a single $100 bet on 26 on a single zero table and it hits and you get you're $3500, did the house edge affect you? If you say no, you're sadly mistaken. The house edge cost you an extra $100!!!
     
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    Turbo, you are wrong about the 1a and 4, i know i will not change your opinion
    but there are things you didn t test or not even think about it .
    How can be past spins useless ? if you give them a name (like a , b, c/ or other) and an
    order (like 123123...., or 112233..../ or others) random (because is random) can t
    stay in the same order(positions of groups) , at some point the positions between
    groups will change for sure. There are extreme situation/sessions where can lose
    but with good MM + possitive progressions there is no problem in the next sessions.
     
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