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Craps Hot and Cold Tables and Video Baccarat

Discussion in 'Craps Forum' started by Frank Scoblete, Jul 28, 2015.

  1. Frank Scoblete

    Frank Scoblete Active Member Founding Member

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  2. Mark V

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    Actually...

    We are learning that when it comes to the machine version of table games, that they are classified and regulated as a Slot machine. If in the menus or instructions there is not some language that tells the player exactly how the results are chosen, then you are dealing with a slot machine that is masquerading as a table game.
     
  3. Harley

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    Frank - you offer no evidence to support any of the statements in your articles o_O

    where's the proof for your opinions ?!!
     
  4. Harley

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    Frank S - likewise, where is your proof for the following statement from the above referenced article:
    Not true -- many virtual machines do have an algorithm that is not a pure random number generator .... for reference see the Florida State Gaming Commission testimony when considering interBlock's Organic roulette

    Basically, the InterBlock Organic roulette machine is a machine that has a ball spinning around either slowing down or speeding up to get the desired computerized generated numbers based upon players bets and desired Casino hold ... The result is rarely random .... As with most casino machines that are virtual or part virtual, you are playing against a computer that calculates what Mark V made reference to - a predetermined slot hold for the casino
     
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  5. Mark V

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    Frank,
    I was with Harley last May in Las Vegas and pointed out to him that the roulette wheel with the InterBlock Organic Roulette "changes gears" as to speed up or slow down. Harley congratulated me on my keen observation and then pointed out few other interesting aspects of that game as to why it is not as 'random' as we Ploppies think it is.

    Unless the machine specifically states how the results are determined, such as "random picking of five cards from a deck of 52 for each hand", we then can assume it a slot machine with slot return rates and logic.

    I have personally seen some Class II video poker machines that appear to have a 99.5% return rate though in actually its 91% return rate and no amount of player skill will make any difference. I have also seen video roulette target me to such absurdities as to hit the 0 and 00 three times in a row! The odds of that happening is astronomical, yet a machine that says, "Hay, this guy has won large and my hold now is less than target. So now random becomes rouge, and player loses." I am sure the machine will hold true to its hold and house edge, and someone like me who comes in with a particular betting method will quickly trigger the 'rouge mode' of the machine.

    As for 'streaks'...

    There are times when the games are NOT RANDOM. A shoe of cards is NOT RANDOM and that is why we count cards. Dice are NOT RANDOM, imperfections in the dice (intentional or not) can influence dominate numbers to appear. Some roulette wheels are unbalanced where after tracking you can see a dominance. Not all casinos change the wheels out or rebalance them that often. Actually, one casino I am thinking of has never changed the wheel or balanced them since they got them 20 years ago.

    The casinos is all about the MATH OF THE ODDS and who comes out ahead. Random is perhaps is hoped for, but not an absolute.
     
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  6. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    I agree with Frank that streaks cannot be consistently harnessed.
    Proof is that in roulette, casinos post sophisticated electronic boards showing all kinds of past numbers, hot numbers, percentges of outside bets that have come in over the last 100 spins.
    The casinos say..."step right up and spot your trend".

    Tell any pit boss that you would like to play and bet trends.....he/she will pull out the chair for you and with a smile welcome you to the game.

    Same for baccarat ...past hands are posted......step right up and use that info to your liking

    If you want to stand and chart at a craps table...go right ahead as long as you dont get in the way of folks that are playing or take up a spot. Be their guest to chart and find your entry point.

    the proof that DI doesnt work is in the inaction of the casino to outlaw setting.
    the proof that trends cant be harnessed consistently is in the action of the casino providing the trends for all to see.
     
  7. Mark V

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    LarryS
    The casino displays the past spins and results for baccarat and Roulette because otherwise players would hammer the dealers and the pit in asking what was recently showing. Furthermore, players would stand around tracking the hands/spins and not playing, so the casino is basically saying "here is the info you would normally want" and it get them right in to the game. In short, it is a courtesy the casino offers the players by showing the current and past results. The last 20 rolls of the craps dice are shown on the "Shoot to win" game, and people use that info.

    Frank has no idea what to look for with tracking, so he just brushes it off as nonsense. Trust me, there are plenty of players who laugh at Frank and think little of his books. But then, Frank writes about gaming and gamblers, but is not a gambler himself.

    I wrote something here that touches on what players are looking for. http://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/math-can-beat-a-math-game-and-everyone-can-agree.2353/page-2

    I know plenty of people that are trackers and they do extremely well at the casinos. Once you know what to look for in the tracking, a whole new world opens up to you about casino gambling.
     

  8. LarryS

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    casinos will be "courteous" as long as it doesnt cost them money.
    It all comes down to money. Before electronic boards, casinos did very well without them.
    If someone would want to chart they could stand back ad do it manually. But the casinos have the ability now to be "courteous" and get people into the game faster. They get people into the game faster armed with the trends exposed for all to see.
    They want to be "courteous" to people who think they can harness trends......their casino is partially built on the backs of these people.

    If you want to see if something works in making more money for the gambler..just look at how the casinos react to it

    Dice setting.......ok
    Trend spotting.......ok
    card counting........nope.....banning a possibility
     

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