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TurboGenius Hot or Cold ? Is it really 50/50 ? - informational

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Dec 28, 2020.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I think many people are not aware of some of the math this game spits out.

    For example, if I said - after 1,110 spins (a lot - which is 30 cycles of 37 spins each)
    Will you have mostly hot numbers, mostly cold numbers or mostly numbers appearing around average ?

    To most people it would be "around average" - after that many spins we would think that
    many numbers are around average, a few hot and a few cold.
    At least that's how a lot of my thinking went a long time ago.
    Most people wouldn't think that it's almost 50/50 between hot and cold -
    and very very few (if any) numbers appear 1 in 37 like we'd think they should.

    Here is some data which shows the results of 30 cycles of 37 spins each and how many
    numbers were hot (above expected), how many were cold (below expected) and how many
    were right at 30 appearances, which is what we would expect.

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    So sure enough, it's basically 50/50 between the amount of
    hot numbers and the amount of cold numbers after all these spins.
    The amount of numbers appearing "on average" are only 2 by the end
    of the test and average out to only 4 per cycle. Certainly not a majority
    of them at all.

    To show it another way -
    43.86% of the table is Hot
    45.24% of the table is Cold
    and 10.89% of the table actually showed at the expected value.

    So it's close enough to 50/50 between Hot and Cold

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    So, as we know because of the math - if we bet $1.00 from the start
    on a single number and it appears "on average" for 1110 spins - your
    balance will be only -$30.00 (which can be made up with a single win).
    So is the house edge so scary that a single spin can put you ahead after
    1,110 spins ? No, not really it isn't. But you do need to be on one of the
    43.86% of the table that are "hot" numbers or else you'll end up over time
    being farther and farther behind and need more and more wins to catch up.
    But does being down 1 win after 1,110 spins require a "progression" ? Not much
    of one really.. if at all. We know that numbers that were "cold" end up being
    numbers that are "hot" - just pay attention to the display at the casino/wheel.
    Note the cold numbers and sure enough they end up appearing on the hot
    listing next time you are there to play.

    So with this knowledge that 1/2 the numbers will be hot, 1/2 will be cold
    and a tiny few will cost you the small house edge - bet on hot numbers !!!


    Thanks for reading.
    Cheers
     
  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    (On a double zero wheel) At 1000 spins, less than half of the numbers are still winning.
    After 3800 spins, even fewer are still winning.
    Once you get up around 10000 spins, there are usually only about 10 or 11 numbers still winning.
    Can you see the trend here? In the long run, there simply won't be enough hot numbers remaining for you to win unless the wheel is biased.
    This means the longer that you play your system on a random wheel, the more likely it is that you will become a long term loser.
     
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  3. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    No, perhaps you can educate us on this thought of yours ?

    So I start taking data and as I showed, at spin 1110 we had 18 number that were "hot" (above expected)

    So you say to come back at 10,000 and there will be less than that ? Why ?

    At spin 1110 I start taking data again and sure enough at spin 2220 I have 18 numbers that are "hot"
    At spin 2220 I start taking data again and at 3330 I have 18 numbers that are hot.

    Nothing is changing - the point of a system is that you repeat whatever you're doing to get the same results.

    You guys seem to be stuck on 1 spin thinking, "or" if not that - a huge number of spins without resetting the data.
    It's not how it works.

    Like I said, I'll have 1/2 the table showing above expected at 10 cycles,
    from 10 to 20 cycles the same thing - 1/2 the table.
    from 20 to 30 cycles the same thing
    from 30 to 40 cycles the same thing...... as long as you'd like to go

    So yes at 10,000 spins I'll STILL have 18 numbers showing above expected.

    As my data above shows (rather clearly) is that even after 1,110 spins
    we will have 18 people in profit, 2 people who are within 1 spin/win of being in profit
    (so 20 total that are doing ok) - and 17 people who are in a drawdown.

    It really is a 50/50 game when it come to hot and cold numbers.
     
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  4. TurboGenius

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    I understand what you're saying coming at it from betting the same number for 10,000 spins.

    In order to end this with a profit - that number would have to appear many more times that "average".
    Not just hot but very hot... and less and less of the numbers will achieve this.
    That's why we have a system/method that would never stay on a hot number for 10,000 spins.....
    A new group of "hot" numbers takes the old group of numbers place - always....
    and there is a 50/50 chance of being on one of them.
     
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  5. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    After 10k spins, there are not 18 winning numbers. Meaning there are NOT 18 numbers that are still showing a profit. There's usually only around 11 still showing a profit. As a matter of fact, almost all of the ECs are usually losing bets, as well, by 10k spins.
     
  6. TurboGenius

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    1k + 1k + 1k + 1k + 1k + 1k + 1k + 1k + 1k + 1k is 10,000 spins.
    Each of these 1k spin sets has 50/50 hot and cold and a few numbers at expected.
    So you are wrong. You choose to see the data at 10,000 continuous spins and not 10 sets of 1,000 spins
    and there are two completely different results when it comes to individual numbers being hot/cold......
     
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  7. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Nope, you are again, wrong. Even in a game of just 1000 spins, usually less than half of the numbers are winners. Here's why, the house payoff is only 35 to 1, yet there are 38 numbers on the wheel.
     
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  8. TurboGenius

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    So we agree - you say less than half and I say 43.86% which is slightly less than half.
    Are we going to argue just to argue and keep saying the same things ?

    So here's 1,000 new spins and what happened with each number at the end.

    1k.png

    This is 1,000 spins and the winners/losers are 50/50

    That means if you sit at the wheel for 1,000 spins playing the same number, you have a 50/50 chance of
    leaving a winner after ALL of those spins. There's no easier way to express this, to continue to argue
    it is a waste of time. You seem to give the insanely small and irrelevant "house edge" more credit than it
    deserves. It's not a monster by far... so why keep telling people it is ?

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  9. TurboGenius

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    and now that I look at it - 5 more players are 1 win from a profit - and since they have a 2 in 3 chance of their number
    appearing in the next 37 spin cycle, you might as well add 3 or 4 more players that are winners during the next cycle.
     
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    Combined results of the winners and the players who's number was "at expected" is +1,524 units.
    The combined results of the losers is -2,524 units.
    See ? The math isn't broken.
    But what remains true is that the chances of leaving a winner or a loser after 1,000 spins is 50/50
     
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    Turbo,

    I can build a Martingale like progression and win more than 70% of my sessions. Even though I may lose only 30% of the time, the losses will still be greater than the wins. The same is true with what you're doing above. The losses will still consume your wins in the long run. The reason is because the house payout is short. Meaning, there's tooo o o o many extra pockets on the wheel.

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    And by the way, the chance of leaving a winner with your system is not 50/50.
     
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    If you know of a pattern that happens every time, and over the span of 300 spins or so your numbers become more accurate, then you don't really lose 30% of the time... You win 100% of the time.
     
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    Sir ADr. A A


    Let them play with real money y and the moaning begins .
     
  14. SERGIO

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    I know that my word is useless for anyone who does not know me, but DYKSEXLIC or his way of winning the game is the best way of everything I have seen in 15 years !!!
    The only way that always manages to win in 38 spins !!!
    Is there any way mentioned here or anywhere else that ensures you win in a universe like dyksexlic? NO!!
    Let's leave the nonsense and focus on what there is, without having to invest thousands of euros or without having to be 200 or more spins !!!



    HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND I WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!
     

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    Nope, several people are saying that they've lost big with Dyksexlic.
     
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  16. Nathan Detroit

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    By known consensus the system is a big loser.
     
  17. TurboGenius

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    Where is there anything to back up this claim ?
    I can post 1,000 spin sets ALL day and yes - every time 50% of the people will win and 50% will lose.
    No progression - flat betting only.
    Feel free to do it yourself and post the results - anything other than that is trolling.

    It is (and it's not a system). It is exactly 50% for a 1,000 spin cycle. Why are going to argue when proof is shown -
    while not backing up what you're saying ? Even Benas popped in for a "like" on your reply but isn't he the math genius
    of the group ? 1,000 spins and a 50/50 result is easily proven by demonstration and by math - yet you say I'm wrong.
    Strange.
     
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    Half of the numbers are not winners. The winners will not produce enough wins to consistently make up for the losers.
     
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    [QUOTE = "Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone, publicación: 107509, miembro: 319"] No, varias personas dicen que han perdido mucho con Dyksexlic. [/ QUOTE]
    I would like to know who are the ones who really know how dyksexlic works to say such nonsense !!
    Let them show me that what dyksexlic says loses and I will show that they have no idea what dyksexlic does!
     
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    Instead of saying "bet on hot numbers" it's better to say "never bet on anything cold".
     
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