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Baccarat How to turn £75 > £5250 or $150 > $10,000+ for 28 hrs effort

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Junket King, May 2, 2019.

  1. Junket King

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    Just for the fans of the Martingale,

    I posted this many years ago, this board can have it.



    Don't tune or scoff out until you have digested the whole package, as one word may put you off, which is "Martingale", but hang on in here.

    Lets throw in the sales pitch.

    How to turn £75 into £5250 or $150 (for those across the ditch into over $10,000) for approx 28 hours of table action. Sound interesting?

    YES, you do need a certain element of luck. Now we know you can't expect to be lucky all the time. You only need to be lucky for two hours. Yes TWO LOUSY HOURS from the on-set, you may not make it all the way, but it won't cost you much either.

    While people do not see eye to eye regarding bet selection, really it is a defensive mechanism, they need to convince themselves more than anybody else. In essence bet selection is a lottery. Each bet is a 50/50 bet, what happens after X is a lottery. No worries 'bout what you think, this can also suit your mindset.

    Let's revisit a set of 4 column binary tables;

    1---BBBB
    2---PBBB
    3---BPBB
    4---PPBB
    5---BBPB
    6---PBPB
    7---BPPB
    8---PPPB
    9---BBBP
    10-PBBP
    11-BPBP
    12-PPBP
    13-BBPP
    14-PBPP
    15-BPPP
    16-PPPP

    Note I have numbered all possible outcomes. Your aim using a 4 step martingale is to play 10 columns per day, less than ONE SHOE per day maximum and to avoid any 4 column loss.

    For those that the progression Martingale leaves a bad taste, bear in mind, the total risk is the initial £75 or $150, if you can't afford to risk that amount, then read no further, or remind yourself of the 5 g's or 10k plus potential..

    Your aim is to make 10 units per day (maybe 11 if you want to cater for the tax, or maybe you might choose to wear that small cost), not a dime more. Your aim is to repeat this for 7 days straight, remember, your exposure is minimum as you will not play more than 40 or 44 hands any one day. Any 4 column loss and you quit.

    You need to avoid any 4 column loss for the first TWO DAYS ONLY, >> less than one shoe per day <<
    Should you lose 4 hands on the bounce on the third day, you will still be in profit.

    Should you manage to not lose for SEVEN days, on the second week, you double your unit size, should you lose when you double your unit size, you are still in profit. Again repeat the exercise for the next seven days.

    NOTE* you can withstand two losses per week and still remain in profit, this excludes the first two days. Your odds of losing 4 bets in a row is less than 6%, which means your odds of winning a bet in any four bet sequence is just over 93%.

    Should you manage to avoid any 4 column loss during the second week, again you double your unit value from £10 or $20, should you lose on day 15, you are still in profit. You just lost £300 but made £700 the previous week, how you determine the stake level for tomorrow is up to you, either drop down or press on, you can withstand 2 losing days per week.

    If you have made it this far and only played 10 or 11 (due to tax) columns of 4 for the last 21 days and avoided defeat you double your betting amount for the final time.

    NOTE* thus far this whole exercise has been SELF FUNDING.

    Should you manage to avoid losing 4 in a row for the final week, you have just turned your initial stake of £75 into £5250 for approx 28 hours of table play, or $150 into over $10000, that's about 4 days work.

    Week 1 - goal target £50 daily, weekly goal £350 - risk £75
    Week 2 - goal target £100 daily, weekly goal £700 - risk £150
    Week 3 - goal target £200 daily, weekly goal £1400 - risk £300
    Week 4 - goal target £400 daily, weekly goal £2800 - risk £600


    Maximum Total profit should you avoid 4L within 28 hours is £5250 less tax or for US based players over ten thousand dollars for a $150 stake. Other than the initial stake, IT IS SELF FUNDING.

    Now take a deserved break and start again from the bottom. Does what you are currently playing carry a risk? Well so does this, so in this respect things are equal.

    The risk is limited to £75 or $150, the rewards are greater than what you would ordinarily hope for given the amount of bankroll. If 100 players tried this, not all would be lucky, some would be. All that matters is surviving the first two days.

    OK - the bet selection;

    It really doesn't matter, either mathematically or logically.

    If you believe in trending, then wait for one column of four and use the bet selection SAME. If you don't believe in trending maybe use the bet selection OPPOSITE. Random is probably the best.

    If you don't care either way, maybe choose any one of the above 16 options and stick with it. Mathematically each sequence is suppose to occur once every 60 hands, be aware it doesn't always work out like this.

    Maybe put the numbers I have associated with the 4 column options into a hat to determine your bet selection, it really doesn't matter. Perhaps omit the numbers 6 and 11 as these are the most common options for any 4 hand sequence. Don't lose sight of the total risk £75 or $150 and the potential reward.

    Perhaps play each sequence in numerical order, that is bet option 1 followed by option 2 then option 3 etc. Logically it doesn't make any difference.

    Should you lose for example on your fourth column, then that is it for that day, come back tomorrow and restart. You need SEVEN clear days of 10 units profit before doubling your playing stake.

    The risk is carried for the first two days only, after that it is >> SELF FUNDING.

    You could increase the risk and odds of not losing, by using a 5 column approach. You now have a 96% chance of scoring a win, however you would need to adjust you daily win target to 20 units, and would be playing that a particular 5 hand sequence from 32 possible sequences doesn't hit you for 20 columns..

    $150 into over 10 "large" for 4 days effort!!!!!


    Should this approach fail inside of the first two day, you would need to win 15 times just to get back to even. Then win another 10 times to progress from first base.

    If you had a bankroll greater than £75 or $150 you might want to use the balance to construct recovery option for the first two days only.

    Say you lost 15 units before you make 10 units. You then use the rest of your bankroll to recoup then continue where you left off. Few ways to do this, either use another martingale on top (lots of risk), or double your playing stake and use a Labby to win say 8 units, or possibly a Fibonacci, again to win either 15 units or 8 units if you doubled your initial stake size.

    Nothing stopping somebody from playing two sessions per day, then you might achieve your goal in two weeks. Give yourself a decent break in between sessions. Yes I have explored this and I have found associating a numeric value to each of the possible outcomes of a Binary chart, as outlined above playing them simply in order 1,2,3,4 etc. faired best [random versus random]. You are either going to win or lose, the initial stake is not that great.

    If you decided to play the options sequentially, option 1 is BBBB, you need to decide if you will bet the same as BBBB or the opposite of BBBB, which of course would be would be PPPP, It all works out the same, you're playing with of 15/1 odds no matter what.


    Yes IT WILL lose eventually, will you be at the table when it does? Your nemesis has to catch you when you are playing, one of the reasons I state, play less than ONE SHOE per day.

    Hence the reason make 10 units then bail. It can even lose when you are at the table, however it is the first 2 days which are crucial, after that, so long as you don't get back to back losing days you will be OK, again hence the reason to limit your exposure.

    It really doesn't matter how you determine your bet selection. £5k or $10k for 28 hours graft, minimal risk "$150", cheaper than a few weeks worth of lottery tickets and better odds.

    Don't try and fast track this, by betting every hand, I would suggest that if anybody used other modes of play, that involves betting every hand, it wouldn't work. Losing 4 bets in a row when betting every hand is a whole lot easier than losing 4 bets for any given predetermined column sequence of bets.

    The aim is to TRY and turn 75 quid or 150 bucks into £5 bricks or $10 large for 28 hours at the tables
    . As I stated above, it doesn't really matter if you lose the 3rd day, 2nd stage, 3rd or even the 4th stage, you are STILL IN PROFIT. You need to be lucky for the first two days only, otherwise it is SELF FUNDING. Lose 4 bets in a row and you are done for the day, better for your composure.

    Survive for a month and restart.
     
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  2. cps10

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    Interesting approach. Will test it this weekend.
     
  3. jbs

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    No need to test it. I'll tell you EXACTLY what will happen....

    Wait for it....



    YOU'LL GO BROKE!!!
     
  4. Junket King

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    How can fuck can you go broke, when you only risking either £75 or $150, are you seriously THAT POOR?

    Can you sell your food stamps and give it a try??
     
  5. fathead

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    I actually like this. Going 4 weeks without a loss would be tough, you should bust about 6 times every 100 decisions played. Like you said, sort of like a slot machine except with -1.20% house edge instead of -6% or -9% or whatever crazy edge they have on slots. When you finally won the $10,000, you would have 6 tries at $100,000 if you really wanted to go for it.
     
  6. Junket King

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    If you don't lose your first trial, then you are risking even less, due to the profit on the first attempt. I thought I better try it myself seeing I posted it many years go, I gave it a few tries, I didn't survive the first shoe, but I guess that is down to luck and which of the 16 patterns you chose to play and the shoe composition.

    Consider it a fair ground fun game, albeit slightly more expensive.
     
  7. cps10

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    I use a similar premises in craps. Once you get to a certain level and playing with house money, it’s anything goes. I’ve looked at some old cards and on multiple occasions $10,000 was a reality. And on other occasions net profit is the case. It’s almost like how the lottery works. You may win a couple of times and win a “lower” prize, but the more you win, the bigger prizes are nicer!

    The craps strategy I use has won 34 straight sessions. Some have been grinds, but at the end, it’s nice to win that many times in a row.

    My target win is 20%. I win 5 and have doubled my bank. I typically win 15 before moving my unit value up. Then I have two full bankrolls at a higher level. Gambling isn’t guaranteed but if you play with a disciplined approach, the sky is the limit. Becoming a millionaire on a hundred-aire’s budget, that’s impossible. You should expect a grind, but if you manage it properly, you can be set. I’m sure my winning streak will come to an end sooner or later, but I’ve managed it well so I will keep on moving up.
     
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  8. fathead

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    Okay, I played around with this yesterday and today. I just wrote down 10 numbers at random each day that popped into my head from 1 - 16 and played those groups at the Wizard's site (https://wizardofodds.com/play/baccarat/ ). Yesterday I won +$940 and today I won +$970 using $100 units ($1500 buy in). So I am $1910 ahead.

    I see what you mean about self funding. Even if I lose the next $1500 buy in I am still in profit. If I continued on this week, the more days I can go without losing, the more profit I will end up with even if I don't make through this first week.
     
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  9. Junket King

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    Cool, to be honest, I never considered using different sequences for the 10 trials, rather stuck to the same one.

    You share and you get a different prospective. Let us know if you try with real cash, reaching $10000 might be easier than posting on this board and being a $1500 winner.
     
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    Sure, I will let you know if I try it with actual money. Risking $1500 to win $100,000 I can live with. The first two days are key then you cannot lose money after that no matter what happens.
     
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  11. cps10

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    So you’re saying you use the same sequence, for example, the 7th sequence, for all 28 days?

    I know it really means nothing but I would think randomly picking a sequence would beat random. Or a sequence that didn’t just occur.

    But to each their own. Glad to see it working regardless of your sequence selection.
     
  12. Junket King

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    Just saying, this was how I approached it at the time, having used 4 Column bet options, but without the use of the Marty. .
     
  13. cps10

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    So what I did was ended up playing 28 sessions by first using 11 random sequences for 1 unit each for each session. Then I played 28 sessions using the same sequence for each of the 11 units. Here's what happened. I never got a 28-session winning streak. The highest I had was 5 in a row with the 11 sequences and 3 in a row with 1 sequence.

    But it still profited. Here are the results:

    11 random sequences:

    Day:
    1 ($64.50) ($64.50) $310.50
    2 ($101.50) ($166.00)
    3 $104.50 ($61.50)
    4 $105.50 $44.00
    5 ($140.00) ($96.00)
    6 $98.50 $2.50
    7 $95.00 $97.50
    8 ($81.50) $16.00
    9 $103.50 $119.50
    10 $106.50 $226.00
    11 ($81.50) $144.50
    12 ($95.50) $49.00
    13 ($150.00) ($101.00)
    14 $106.00 $5.00
    15 ($58.50) ($53.50)
    16 $105.00 $51.50
    17 ($72.50) ($21.00)
    18 $98.50 $77.50
    19 $104.50 $182.00
    20 ($112.00) $70.00
    21 ($78.50) ($8.50)
    22 $102.00 $93.50
    23 $103.00 $196.50
    24 $107.50 $304.00
    25 $107.50 $411.50
    26 $103.00 $514.50
    27 ($54.00) $460.50
    28 ($150.00) $310.50

    1-random sequence for 11 units:

    Day:
    1 ($130.50) ($130.50) $291.00
    2 ($120.00) ($250.50)
    3 $107.50 ($143.00)
    4 $103.50 ($39.50)
    5 ($132.00) ($171.50)
    6 $104.50 ($67.00)
    7 ($84.00) ($151.00)
    8 $104.00 ($47.00)
    9 $102.50 $55.50
    10 ($94.00) ($38.50)
    11 $103.00 $64.50
    12 $105.00 $169.50
    13 ($73.00) $96.50
    14 $104.00 $200.50
    15 $98.50 $299.00
    16 $100.00 $399.00
    17 ($64.00) $335.00
    18 $108.00 $443.00
    19 $104.50 $547.50
    20 $110.00 $657.50
    21 ($50.00) $607.50
    22 $104.00 $711.50
    23 ($77.50) $634.00
    24 ($125.00) $509.00
    25 $102.00 $611.00
    26 ($130.00) $481.00
    27 ($130.00) $351.00
    28 ($60.00) $291.00
     
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    FYI - to play a maximum possibility of 40 hands, to lose 4 in a row, the maths states, this should occur 0.609 times.

    80 hands (2nd session / shoe) 1.23 times.

    I might give this another try online, won't be for a week or so. I'll post the results here when the time comes.
     
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    I never got anywhere close to 40 hands ever. I wonder if I had waited a full four hands per sequence if I would have had more success. So let’s say my sequence to play was PBBP and the results were BB and I won on the second hand. Should I sit out two more hands before starting my next sequence or start it right away? Just food for thought.
     
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    Hey guys, first excuse me if my questions are rather newbish, but I've just recently ventured into strategies to max up my game and really think this one seems interesting.

    But just to be 100% sure.

    I pick 1 or more sequences like BBBB, and then wait for them to occur during the game right?, When a sequence of ex. BBBB do occur, do I then bet like the sequence even though there is a loss in between? Or do I only bet once after the sequence has been completed ?

    Like:
    Sequence BBBB happens, i then bet BBBB, while the outcome is BPBP so i have 2 wins and two losses but still placed my bet according to the sequence BBBB?

    Hope the above makes sense :)
     
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    Hi Klatzen,

    From how I understand it, if you select BBBB, then you start playing it right away. You use a Martingale until you win. Once you win, you start over with a new series. Or if you select BBBB again, then you play it again until you get a win.

    In your example, with BPBP, after that first B, you win and you start over again. If you choose a different series, so be it. If you are just using BBBB, then you would have your next win at PB, the second hand. You will have bet 1 unit and lost, then bet two units and won, but since you are betting Bank, you would have won 1.9 units there after commission, netting you a profit of 0.90 units. Then start over again, etc.
     
  18. Junket King

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    You wait out the next two hands. otherwise you would never survive
     
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    Okay, so you are sitting in on 44 hands regardless trying to get 11 units? Makes sense. Thank you!
     
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    44 hands only if you wish to recoup Banker tax, if not then 10 columns of 4.
     

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