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Baccarat How you recognize trends/event's starting point?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Garfield, Sep 8, 2020.

  1. Garfield

    Garfield Active Member

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    So I want to ask you guys how you decide when will a trends/streak/event is happening....

    Many will say nothing could tell...but I just want some share from players....

    Thanks
     
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    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I would start by identifying characteristics of trends, patterns, & streaks. There are many that are common enough.

    Here is an example: Singles on the weak side of an Even Chance bet selection option. Can you relate to that?

    How about a sleeping dozen? You can see streaks of the same dozen not hitting for 8 to 30 times in a row. Have you noticed this characteristic?

    It is my opinion that you need to see the characteristic before you try to understand how to exploit these trends or patterns.

    So it stands to be reasonable that a very large list of characteristics must be developed first. This would be called a construct. If it had to be exact in language this wold be referred to as a knowledge of syntax of that construct. I have just suggested singles on the weak side and sleeping dozens. There all kinds of formations that are very common. If you want to get good at it you should put together a list of characteristics here. If you can't then perhaps others here can make suggestions based on their observations. After all they say that the trend is your friend in the stock market.
     
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  3. Blacksmith

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    Trend betting can be a flexible betting method which can be better than the normal static bet .Betting on trend is nothing else than repeating betting method.

    Placing a bet that something or nothing than previous result will trend with same characteristics .

    Lanklye's LW PATTERN BETTING method with the 6 point diverse money management method was also popular in the past.

    Then also the Van der Waerden's theorem could also be applicable . But what to do in a deadlock betting situation must be solved.

    "The KEY is the following:
    The question is, can we define (find, think of, construct), something that happens continuesly?"

    Kind Regards
     
  4. Nathan Detroit

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    A trend stats with the FIRST win of your bet selection and ends with the first loss.
     
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    Bbbbbbwwwwwwwwwahh the Garfield makin the scene with bullshits trendings nonsenses talks. Just like old times, hey hey.
     
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    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Yes. There is one thing that happens continuously while betting on trends. While a trend bet selection is continuously occurring it is working in a win streak condition. As soon as the trend ends the win streak ends.
     
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    The soxfan is trending too. He's trolling conterminously.
     

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    I've yet to encounter the cat what could trend his way to a strikes rate better than 50%, hey hey.
     
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    Keep watching. You will eventually.
     
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    Ok might be a while so I'll stock up on the Guinness and cashew, hey hey.
     
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    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Shove the cashews, shake the Guinness and shove that in your ear. You are a blow-it case.
     
  12. Garfield

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    Spare me some cashew and Guiness....
     
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    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Back to the topic. Some other common patterns are swarms of the absence of something. It can even be in just one group like the Red / Black. There can be a long streak of the total absence of singles. Example: rr BBB rrr BB rrrr BBBB rr BB rrr BBB. There can be perfect chop at times. Example: rBrBrBrBrBr. There can be doubles on the weak side. Example rr BBBBB rr BBB rr BBBBB rr BBB
     
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  14. gizmotron

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    Once you have a generalized knowledge of what to be looking for you need to add to that what happens when you bet on trends, patterns, and streaks.

    If you are only going to take one win from each mini streak or pattern then it all comes down to those first attempts. You can have a swarm of sequences of trend events that come in sizes of 4's. You want to be watching for sizes as much as you want to watch for the patterns every time you search for them. The size of trends have a tendency to trend at times. Sometimes you don't get anything but chaos in the sizes. But other times you get swarms of the same size on at least one side of the EC. You should look for sizes of trend sequences. They sometimes trend.
     

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    So now you have a few trend types and you have watching for sizes of trends.

    There's always the super trend like 20 Reds in a row. You need to at least be prepared to attack any super trends.

    For me that's just about all there is. I just see a lot more types, shapes, and duration than most players.

    There is one last trend to watch at all times. That is your effectiveness trend. You need to know when it is difficult and you keep hitting a bunch of first try losses.

    No matter how good you get at trend and pattern recognition you will still hit a perfect storm of first try losses. You must react to this condition. Don't feed it thinking that there is something superstitious going on. It's just common randomness. The casino is not targeting you.

    You can learn to see all this by picking Banker only and playing 300 hands at a time all betting the same amount, flat betting. It will show you the trends and patterns and it will show you where all the first try losses come together as swarms. You can learn from 1000's of spins at roulette also. It just takes work to become skilled at seeing what is currently going on. At first you can't see. But after a while you get good at seeing the trends, the sizes, and the first try conditions.

    There is not much more to be had from trend watching. You just get better and better at seeing these three types of changes.

    Once you are very good at it you grow a style of waiting for randomness to come to you in conditions that you like to see. That typically results in win streaks. So randomness serves up conditions to win if you are trained. It's like waiting for the better waves if you are a surfer. The casinos don't watch for players that are targeting opportunities like this. They don't think that way. They think that the more you play the better their chances are of you paying your way thru a losing streak. So don't do what they want you to do. Do what you want to do instead. You have the control on each bet. You don't have to bet big on red when there is a streak of blacks occurring.

    It takes all the losses for the math to become what the probability experts expect. You can bet the smallest amount when the losses streak. You can bet bigger amounts when the win streaks occur. It is really that simple. This has a tendency to cancel the house's advantage when you get good at it. You will still lose the correct amount of bets that the odds say that you should. You will just lose more of them at the lower price, if you get skilled and good at it.

    People will try to tell you that you can't know when conditions change or that you are in a streak of wins. But pit bosses tend to always know when someone is in a win streak. I guess they just get skilled at looking for it.
     
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    Nice post Gizmo, I should probably add few other patterns to my game, but even with just singles and single chops the avg I got from first 40 sessions holding so far.
     
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    Nice post Gizmo.....well for clarification I don't promote trend whatsoever....

    Side note: it's nice to have discussion without bullying each other..

    Back to topic, is there a minimal length of particular events to be called trends? Based on each PoV ofc...

    And is such things like "no trend" exist? If it is....could we categorize it as "another trend"?

    What do you guys think?
     
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    I don't know why my post is keep getting reviewed....
     
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    Thanks Gizmo for the reply....so is it safe to assume that if many believe there's a trend in whatever form it is, should there be a situation where there's no trend at all?

    Is such thing exist? I find it hard to create a no trend situation where everything is mixed up...
     
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    From trading point of view, trend is established when one side is clearly having advantage over a period of time, for example buyers pushing price up because there are less sellers. It has to have characteristics such as higher highs and higher lows. Translating into EC for example BBBBBRBBBRBBBB, or BBRBBBBBRRBBBBRRBB, etc. And BRBRBR Or BBRRBBRR, would be ranging situation, as neither side is winning.
    So to answer your question yes, there is either a trend or "no trend/ranging" and both can be exploited. Of course there are times where we can't establish if its still a trend while the market/game is transitioning to other state
     

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