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Roulette I found something about Roulette-Simulator that won't please TurboGenius

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Bago, Apr 11, 2018.

  1. Bago

    Bago Active Member

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    Here the 3,278 Million spins history on Roulette-Simulator. The maximum repeat of a single number is 9 !!!

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    Here the 34 Million spins on RX. The maximum repeat of a single number is 5.

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    Now you understand why playing a repeater method is favourable on this bogus RNG ! (and why TG chose it instead of a real random wheel).

     
  2. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Interesting detective work.

    What do these mean:
    "The maximum repeat of a single number is 9."
    "The maximum repeat of a single number is 5."
     
  3. Bago

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    Hi Giz,

    It means that on the Roulette-Simulator RNG, a number hitting 9 times back to back happened (ex: 14-14-14-14-14-14-14-14-14-0-5-28-36....)
    and over a simulation of 3,278 millions of spins, which is impossible on a fair RNG.

    Over 34 million spins simulation on RouletteXtreme, the maximum a number hit back to back was 5 (ex: 14-14-14-14-14-0-5-28-26...)
     
  4. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    That's fucking incredible. I can believe 5 in a gazillion spins but I don't believe 9.

    I wonder if Roulette Extreme changes out the Random Seed in its execution of multi-million spins sequences every 500,000 spins? The true test on a modern computer is the RNG generator that needs a new unique Random Seed every half million spins or it will start to repeat. BTW, this new random seed is changed on all slot machines each time they are powered up. The same goes for my simulations each time they are run. But I must force the change every half million spins if I'm using a huge number of spins in a single pass. I'll bet that the programmers at Roulette Extreme know this. I hope so.
     
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    ""14 RED x 5 ""
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  6. Bago

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    I can't see your image BETJACK.

    I don't know how the RouletteXtreme RNG works but it works fine since the more spins you are launching the more the max limits are pushed after 500K spins, 1 million etc... so it does not repeat.

    If my calculation is correct, the odds of a number repeating 9 times in a raw is: 1 in 1,299,617,393,939 (more than a trillion). Over 3,3 million spins, it is impossible.
     
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    1 in 129 Trillions, there are too much zeros lol.
     
  8. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It's impossible.
     
  9. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Active Member Founding Member

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    With all those wanna be winners posting here we can rest assured that BM casinos will not become an endangered species.


    Happy Winnings to the REAL pros.


    N.D.
     
  10. Bago

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    Happy Winnings with your John Patrick's methods Nathan :D
     
  11. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    They work most of the time for me, three-and-out that is.

    But I have to admit that every once in a while there can be a long streak of above average slow grinds downward occurring. Makes you want to just shift to one-and-out.
     
  12. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Active Member Founding Member

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    I always consider the exit strategy : terminate the session after 3 losses in a row , with the first loss after the win goal has been achieved or the loss limit has been reached.

    Never ever replay the accumulated net winnings during a session. They go with you and soften the blow of any losses during that session.


    Try it you might like it ."


    Happy Winnings


    N.D.
     
  13. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I have my own method. I took three-and-out from JP and made it as three net wins and out. It's enough to make an eventual million. I also back off after each loss. I can make out pretty good if the losses are just singles in series. But when they start to double up as a swarm, it's time to get out.
     
  14. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Active Member Founding Member

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    I understand your approach very well . Very conservative too. Short term play and stay at the table.


    N.D
     
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    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Not to mention the alarming problem that Turbo's system faces on real wheels...the extra ONE or TWO pockets!
     
  16. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Active Member Founding Member

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    Abet selection per se is in no way a system. It takes 2 to Tango. Bet selection plus Money management .


    N.D.
     
  17. TurboGenius

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    Great I had to "show ignored content" to see what was being said.

    Hey thanks though Bago - you just proved exactly what I said (to a "T")... so thanks for that.
    It's always nice when the enemy helps you out without knowing and the other critic (SA) doesn't
    even realize it happened.
    I'm starting to think I'm actually the only expert on roulette and random posting on these
    two forums.
    You also proved why the game on Steve's site isn't fair rng either. Nice ! a Two-fer.

    Remember when I said - random + random doesn't = random and all the "experts" laughed
    and said that made no sense ?
    R. Sim takes each "rated game" played and then adds those spins to the total -
    then the total is evaluated and the stats given.
    So yes, it's entirely possible and makes perfect sense because what I said was absolutely
    correct.
    A random listing could end 4 4 4 4 and the players stopped (probably using a repeater method)
    Those spins are saved to use for the stats
    Another player starts a rated game and the rng resets/reseeds of course (it's not a physical wheel you know -
    where each spin runs in order from one session to the next).
    So somewhere a player starts with 4 4 4 and could end that session and record it,
    another player end up with 4 4 and WOOLAAHHHH you get 9 in a row - it's not
    9 in a row from a RNG output, it's 9 in a row from pieced together sets of results
    (like Steve's game uses). Take set of spins, add it to another set of spins and another
    and then think (rather ignorantly) that it's a complete set of random spins.
    Random set of spins + Random set of spins does not in any way equal a random set of spins.
    At least there being a 9 in a row proves this, so "thanks" again.

    Or.....
    dare we throw out exhibit B ?
    The anti-system people and naysayers always (no, ALWAYS) say that anything is possible.
    Hell, Steve thinks 37 individual numbers can appear in 37 spins - therefore ANYTHING is possible.
    60 reds in a row ? "possible". 100 repeats of Dozen 1 ? "possible". It just takes enough spins and
    enough data and you can find ANYTHING that we think is impossible. It could happen from spin #1
    too (but when it does it's impossible of course LOL)
    BUT now look !!!!!!!
    9 in a row is suddenly IMPOSSIBLE !! It proves to Bago the RNG is no good !! but wait, it's
    possible to happen so....... it's possible but impossible and it happened so that's impossible !!!
    Confused idiots.

    You (few of you) clearly prove over and over to know nothing about math,
    nothing about random and nothing about how to win without finding a defective wheel
    (needle in a haystack) or pointing a secret hidden computer at the wheel (but that's ok, it's
    legal in 1/2 the casinos..... just try one and let them know, it's A-OK with the casino if you
    use one). lol...
    Clearly over and over you (few of you) demonstrate knowing nothing about how random works,
    nothing about the math of the game (past one spin lol) and nothing about knowing how to win.
    Here we are - on forums, I try to explain it - you (few) don't understand it and throw insults
    and end up backing up what I say, it's strange but maybe it works out in the end.
    Anyone smarter than you (maybe 80% of the forum readers) will understand it all.
     
  18. TurboGenius

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    Roulette Simulator has started a long term analysis in January 2017 where we use the Rated Roulette Games as statistical base. The data for this analysis is updated daily.
    Number of analyzed Rated Roulette Games 126,871
    Number of analyzed Rated Roulette Throwings 3,278,628

    (that's 25.8 spins played on average per rated game session)
    Now - feel free to start your RX - run 26 spins and then reseed the RNG, run 26 spins,
    reseed the RNG - until you reach 3.2 million total spins.
    Put all of those 126,871 sets of spins together and then try to tell me it's still random.
    You'll probably see at least 2-3 times longer streaks than a normal straight run of RNG
    would give you - you'll have 2-3 times longer than normal for a number not appearing, etc.
    Maybe a number doesn't even appear for 900 spins ? Maybe 50 reds in a row ?
    Maybe 9 repeats of a number ? It's not too complicated - it just requires a brain.
     
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    Another Great Post From Turbo... for everythink ther is a simple explanation ... if you now what you talking about.
     
  20. Nathan Detroit

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    IT is what it is. Fill in the blank. ......You got it !


    N.D.
     

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