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Roulette I found something about Roulette-Simulator that won't please TurboGenius

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Bago, Apr 11, 2018.

  1. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    No, but if a number hit's nine times in a row then we need to investigate the gaming device for bias or the RNG for predictability that should not exist.

    Yes, a number can hit nine times in a row and it can be a random event. Take for example the readerboard, what are the odds that those numbers would hit in the exact order in which they hit? Astounding if you were looking for that exact pattern in advance. Or look at the last 1000 or 10000 numbers to have hit. The odds of the numbers hitting in the exact order in which they hit is beyond the number of atoms in the universe. Yes rare events are continually happening...but sometimes there's a reason, so we investigate, form a hypothesis, test our prediction, and test out of samples...etc...
     
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  2. Bago

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    With a magnetic ball and a big magnet under a loose pocket pad why not.
     
  3. Sharptracker

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    I called them impossible events myth...

    They look impossible because you focus on them, i'm sure that if you'd focus on something else you would have found x reasons to say that it was rigged. But the brain easily focus on a 9 in a row numbers despite it has same probability. A mean is just a mean, i wouldn' have spit my glass of wine... it could happen right now. There is no necessary a conspiracy...
     
  4. Bago

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    Man, you even said that the same number hitting 37 spins in a row would not surprise you. Nobody can take you seriously. You have mental problems at this stage.
     
  5. Sharptracker

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    Well, i know i won't see it if that's what you mean... But who can say what is impossible... The theory is the theory, there s no moment where the ball has a memory.
    I said that because it is exactly the same problem, there is no limit, it has exactly same probability than other 37numbers series.
     
  6. Bago

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    You are talking of the odds of it happening AFTERWARDS, in the exact same order. Each of those numbers have a STD that fits normal random distribution, which is absolutely not the case with ONLY ONE NUMBER/POCKET hitting during those 37 spins, the pocket would need to be severely biased and even with that we would not be able to make the wheel hit the same number hitting 37 times in a row.

    At a moment you will have to ask yourself why when you are launching 37 spins indefinitely you are having different numbers hitting, instead of having long series of few numbers, if for you they have the same chance of happening.
     
  7. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Regarding tracking short samples...Sometimes it pays to look twice.

    True story...I was walking through the casino, and noticed in the rapid roulette that the number 29 was on the hot number list and that it had hit 23 times in the last 300 spins. I immediately knew that it was statistically relevant. Being that it was in the rapid roulette in the casino it was very hard to get close enough to completely defect spot the wheel. Using the light reflections I was able to determine that something was wrong with it but couldn't quite pin point it until the pit closed. The next morning I took a chance and walked into the pit to look closely at the wheel and noticed that it had been poorly assembled. To the dealers and pit though, it just looked like another new wheel. An entire semi circle of the indexable pocket compartment was rising and falling. This mean that there was a strong chance that it would collect hits from not only being higher, but also because it was loose enough to absorb more energy from the bouncing ball.

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    In short, my partner and I began tracking the wheel. Within 6500 spins we knew what we had, and what the best playing conditions were. The wheel suddenly disappeared but returned a day later in a new position in the casino. We decided to go for it. We shot for the moon, ended up leaping over the moon, and landed on the other side back on earth. The casino filed a gaming dispute, and even attempted to keep our front money. Their argument was that we had inside knowledge the wheel was biased because they couldn't fathom how we knew on which numbers to bet. Gaming's response was basically it's your fault the wheel was on the floor, fair is fair, pay the fuck up!

    In that one play my partners and I topped Pelayo's entire career exploiting wheels.
     
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  8. Bago

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    That's always smart to check visually (and have the skills) to spot a defect since I have witnessed several times the number detector not functionning properly, in one occasion a grandpa gave me all his scorecards and showed n°32 being quite biased but he was writing occasionally the numbers from the display board and when I checked it, each time n°26 really hit, it always displayed n°32 instead. If I got excited and being a fool, I would have bet huge on it and of course lose huge.
     
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    I also saw that kind of errors in display, once i found french wheel light tilted that they change few months later when i went back. It was announcing the auto "no more bet" two laps before with led signal above the number detector. Only need to care about rotor with a perfect assistant.
     
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    Anyone, most of the time, tracking become a problem if you find something far from your home. How did you do when you started, with wheels close to you?
     
  11. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    I first saw the game in LV as a novice.
    I became obsessed with predicting where the ball would land. It seemed easy, and it was for me.
    I took a job that gave me access to the wheels. I could touch it, spin it, and shall we say had unique access to it. I then realized that I could beat the wheel not just with VB but also by exploiting defects that I was finding. About that time the book, "Beating The Wheel" came out.

    Eventually I left the job to exploit what I had learned. Closer to home, where I grew up we didn't have the game. So I began flying every chance I got to LV to play. Years later, my own city got the wheels, and I immediately began to decimate them by partnering with others. One partner in particular taught me the missing points in my approach. He helped teach me how to be more meticulous, patient, organized, and to revisit statistical relevance on a larger scale. As we became more successful, we began acquiring newer wheel designs to study and exploit.
     
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    Nice to read. As i can see, you were 100% dedicated to the game. It must represents thousands hours spent and big knowledge now!

    I don't know what that book (Beating The Wheel) is about.

    VB is passionating also but it's complicated to play in a long term perspective if you don't wear a device on you, that is dangerous though.
     

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