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Baccarat Idea for ''UNBALANCED''!

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by eugene, Aug 23, 2019.

  1. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    On FIVE tables, because the two guys were moving around. Do me a favour!!!!!
     
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  2. gizmotron

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    I'm trying to do you a favor. The first global effect I ever saw was the same 24 numbers hitting in extremely strong dominance for four and 1/2 hours on four separate tables at Caesars Tahoe, all at once. Stuff also swarms on different tables at the same time. I saw it with my own eyes. I didn't see anybody being targeted. This stuff just happens.
     
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  3. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    UTTER BOLLOCKS
     
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  4. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    OK, I tried. We just disagree. No big deal. I would laugh my ass off if you are right. I'll leave it with a 1% maybe.
     
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  5. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Nice one.

    Hey for anybody else reading this thread, any alternative negative progression / staking plan suggestions besides the Labby, would be appreciated.
    The bet selection itself is geared to provide a win within a series of 4 bets. So Flat Betting, the Marty, even the Fibo are all non-starters, I can't think of any, but who knows?

    I could go one better than that, but I'm convinced (unprovable, I did try as it was becoming blatantly obvious something wasn't quite right) there was a degree of skulduggery going on at the Baccarat tables, with me personally being Target Number 1. As always to read about an event, you are entitled to scoff, once you appreciate the bigger picture and more importantly what transpired in the 6 days prior leading up to the event, plus understand how casinos differentiate between clientele, which I only discovered later, it may open peoples minds regarding the lenghts and actions they will take to stop a winning player., they'll do whatever is necessary. I know of one intriguing particular incident other than my own, that left somebody with criminal conviction. It's a different topic for another time perhaps.
     
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  6. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Yup that's all the gizmotron has to offer, hey hey.
     
  7. John Blerg

    John Blerg Well-Known Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    Mr king you are super smart.

    How long to becoming that way?
     

  8. John Blerg

    John Blerg Well-Known Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    i learning and won.

    what i find out was this.

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    Stop and cash.
    Leave casino.
     
  9. Racoon123

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    Just to correct a mistake made at the start of this thread, which will result in most of your discussion mute: And I reference 'Dr. Tom', who came up with the 'Balanced vs. Unbalanced' idea:
    Balanced is as follows: BBBB, PPPP, and any combination of two B and two P. Ex: BBPP, BPPB, BBPP, PPBB, BPPB, PBBP
    So, no matter the order if there are two of each or all four of each then it is considered 'Balanced'.
    Unbalanced is where One odd one is evident in the group of four: BPPP, PBBB, BBBP, PPPB, BPBB, BBPB
    So, no matter what the order, If One odd P or B is evident in the group of four it is considered 'Unbalanced'.
    The result is that there are EQUAL number of combinations of 'Balanced' as there are 'Unbalanced'.
    This fact now changes the whole discussion that you have had.
     
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  10. ehtelgaeb

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    Well, I've actually tried this now and for real (low stakes) money. I first practiced with 1)Roulette Xtreme for a 00 wheel 2) some old numbers from a 00 wheel 3) wizard of odds with a 0 wheel and then 4) old recorded 0 wheel numbers. I did not rule a betting line for these practice numbers hoping to find something better than Labouchère.

    The W/L registries kind of went like this:
    WLWLWLLLLLWWLL*LLWL**WWLWLWLLWWLWWLLLLLWW
    LWWWLWLLWLLLWLWLWWWLLWWLWWWLWWLLLWLWWLW
    LWWWLLLLWWLLLLWLLWWWLLWWLLWLWWLWW

    So kind of looking like Carsch progression may work but I'll need more data before trying that. I decided to stick with Labouchère.

    I followed Junket Kings roulette method at an online, real spin but automated, single zero wheel and finished up $26. It should have been $30 but 1) I missed a bet that would have won and 2) it moved pretty fast and I screwed up my Labouchère line. I wanted to try this one because it seem about as simple and straight forward as anything I've seen in a while

    I started with 222333 so my lowest bet would have been $5, played a traditional Labouchère line but incremented back into the line so I only had to win 33%. First game went WWW, hey this is easy! Next game went LLW W(missed this one) W and messed up my staking line here so only $11 on this game instead of 15 and now, hey this is not so easy. Probably a bit too fast for me at this time so I need to do a little more practicing so I can be a bit faster.

    It would seem to me that this would also be applicable to the Baccarat tables and using the Main Road, Big Eye and Small Eye as your three different data streams. Junket King mentioned that this may not be practical since Baccarat seems to be more balanced than roulette so I don't know, this is just speculation at this point.

    I only have double zero roulette wheels within reasonable travel distance but I do know one is an automated wheel with a $3 minimum. I'll let you know if and when I get to a B&M and if I do anymore online play.
     
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  11. Nathan Detroit

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    You wont do any better with a single 0 wheel either .You have much to learn.
     
  12. ehtelgaeb

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    That is obvious, isn't it and the whole point of my post. It's all about learning.
     
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  13. Frank Kneeland

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    First off: let me say that it's nice to see combinational permutational thinking in this forum. Yay! Brings tears of joy to my eyes.

    Sadly though, there is a time and a place for everything and I do not believe this is the time or the place.

    Combinations and permutations are used only in games of chance to figure out reactionary strategies to uncompleted in-progress events. Or the probability on future events. Not strategy on past or future events.

    In video poker if you are dealt (KhQhJhTh5h) & want to know if you should stand pat on the flush or draw one for the royal, combinational math gets you there.

    If you want to know the probability of a coin coming up heads or tails and choose to flip it THREE times in a row to determine this--your results will be confusing at best. If you do manage to flip the coin 50% heads and 50% tails in three trials--let me know how you did it. That's very impressive!!!:)

    What you are talking about is an artifice of logging the results of limited trials on independent random events.

    Kahneman & Tversky documented this under their "Law of Small Numbers".

    That's my two cents flipped 7 times...
     
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  14. Lungyeh

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    Are there people who make a living out of professional gambling based on mathematical theories? Or are these theorists just theorists running computer programs and sitting in the high IQ tower condescending on the general populace who dont know what they are talking about?

    Really curious.

    Hi Frank, ND, Judge, Jae, Soxfan, Punkcity, Jmske, cps10, Ted, Garfiled and eveybody else…
     
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  15. cps10

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    I’m sure that there are some that do otherwise they wouldn’t be studying these theories. A great discussion is the odds/probability debate that many have.

    For instance as Frank mentioned a coin flipped 7 times will always have 50/50 odds. However, to have heads flip seven straight times has a probability of 1/128 or 0.78% of occurring. In fact there are 128 combinations of 7 outcomes so each has a 0.78% chance of happening. But the odds of heads hitting on any flip is 50%.

    Some math guys will state that you can have a better chance when you have three or four decisions already made but that’s not true either. After four flips you still have 8 possible outcome combinations none of which are any more likely than another.
     
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  16. Frank Kneeland

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    I'm guessing you don't know my history. This means you probably have a life. Good on you mate:)

    Yes, everyone I know made a living in casinos using math, and nothing else, for the last three decades. We are all approaching mandatory retirement (AKA: death). When I sat down to write my book there was not a single formula I put in there that I did not use in the field in practice on a massive scale with 40+ employees for several years.

    The IRS changed the tax laws on us so that employing someone to gamble for you became more difficult. This is what killed us.

    I lean towards the scientific definition of "theories" rather than the lay version.

    Our theories have yet to be dis-proven. They include such controversial things as:

    1. Every Jackpot has a probability of occurrence and a corresponding cost.
    2. If the Jackpot is larger than the cost to hit the Jackpot, you'll make money.
    3. $8,800 Loss + $14,000 win = $5,200 Profit.

    Yeah, it's just math and they aren't really theories...just saying.
     
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  17. Frank Kneeland

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    Addendum: I would never consider condescending. One of the odd quirks of my memory is that I remember not knowing things with equal weight to the things I now know. I remember most vividly all the weird ideas I had before learning the correct math. It happens to the best of us, and also me. (Implication: I am not the best of us...see that was a joke...OK I'm sad now)
     
  18. Lungyeh

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    Nice. So what maths works best for baccarat?
     
  19. Zhang Wei

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    Balanced are common and weak.
    Unbalanced are rare and strong.
     
  20. Frank Kneeland

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    LOL: Laphroaig quarter cask...

    The question you ask is a very good one. I also like that you called them "maths" and not "math" as the ignorant Yanks do.

    It's a perfect blending of probability maths and statistical maths (with large enough sample size) applied in the right situations and in the right order without any personal bias coloring our decisions.

    Dude it's hard... Even I am not biased.

    I have done several studies that prove I am not biased--I'm simply unbiased enough not to believe them...:)

    JUST STUDY BASIC PROBABILITY MATHS... Bayesian Inference is AWESOME (visited his grave near London as a child and caught the maths bug)
     

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