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Baccarat If the shoe fits....

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by gr8player, Sep 7, 2019.

  1. gr8player

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    ....then by all means, I'll take it on. I will tend to go with the propensities that I am currently seeing within a shoe; and, as we are all very well aware, this is commonly referred to as "trending a shoe".

    Where the misconceptions arise among those that simply do not believe in trending are in the mistaken belief that this all has something to do with "prediction". And that misconception moves many players away from any attempt at trending, feeling as though it is a pressure-filled yet fruitless task to be in the "prediction business" side of this game.

    Well I'm here to tell you, as a confirmed trender, that I don't subscribe to any ability to predict a thing. My trending has so much more to do with the current flow of the shoe than it does to any supposedly-psychic ability to predict the future.

    And let me be very clear here; trending is not solely a Baccarat phenomenon. Rather, there are trends everywhere, in so many portions of our everyday lives. I had a rather lucrative career in sales, yet there were days that I couldn't make a sale to save my life; but to counter-act those down trends, there where other days where I couldn't miss, days where they bought everything I offered, and it was those times that more than made up for the down periods.

    And it is that very same philosophy that carries me through my Baccarat trending game. My trends are triggered, for the most part, to allow for "clusters of wins" when they do hit as opposed to singular (or two at most) losses when they don't. Can you see that anyone with any money-management ability at all just might be able to profit from that sort of scenario? Of course you can.

    And so I'm here to tell all of those that are a bit intimidated by trending or are of the belief that is requires the improbable ability of "predicting" the future that:

    ....while I know that the "cards have no memory":

    When the shoe is producing many more Banker wins versus Player wins (or vice-versa), I am going to be betting for the predisposition towards that side to continue. (Read: my Domination trend)

    ....while I know that the "cards are simply pieces of plastic":

    When the shoe is producing set streaks, where either B or P has been stopping at 2 or 3, I am going to be betting for that predisposition to continue. (Read: my Anti-2/Anti-3 trend)

    ....while I know that "prior results guarantee nothing for the future":

    When that same shoe that was producing those set streaks on either side now shoes a "new top" (in other words, a set 2 now went to 3), I am going to be betting for that side to have either a "break-out" streak or a impending "domination".

    All right, I think you guys get the gist of what I'm trying to convey here. I have a half-dozen more trends that'll trigger me into betting, but I wish not to spend my entire Saturday behind this keyboard as I just got back last night from the casino after a few days of Bac and I'm sure my wife would enjoy some quality time.

    Let me just add that my wish here is not to have anyone think that this is all as easy as it may sound (or read). Let me be very clear: it is not. I battle at each and every turn within a shoe and within a session and within a trip. Trends come and trends go....some last, some don't. But, believe it or not, that, too, is a trend. Let me explain:

    When I approach a new shoe, my very first inclination is to "no-bet". In fact, I do more "no-betting" that I do betting in many shoes. Why? Because there simply ain't no lasting trends. Many shoes (well, at least portions there-of) are a bunch of "whatever" or "garbage"....nothing much a trender like me can do but to simply await this stuff to pass. (That said, I do keep track of the numbers on any failed trends of mine, even as I am not betting...that gets into "variance"...not getting into that now or I'll be here all day.)

    So I accept the "virtual" losses as I await a trend that might gain some traction. Again, I said "might". But the beauty of it all, at least to me and my style of play, is that when I'm wrong I'll lose a bet, but when I'm right I'm in position to win a "cluster of bets". How big a cluster? While I'd love the bigger the better, I'm a conservative player with a conservative win goal, so I'm not looking to take home the chandeliers; rather, just trying to pick up some units here and there.

    So that's my approach to this game, and please know that I've many years experience at playing this way, and so I enjoy doing so.

    As always, fellas, I wish you the same enjoyment. Take care.
     
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  2. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    I'll grant you a like for the above post, as you actually managed to post something without me feeling slighted in any way.
     
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  3. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I've known about gr8Players method for years and years. Now I believe that this is actually gr8player and not an invasion of the sock puppets.
     
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  4. R19

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    That is one of the first things to consider. Are we to play through a baccarat shoe or look to move around? One of the best things about online live dealer is that it pushes you more towards playing a table. It is very easy to be 10 steps behind the curve.
     
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  5. gr8player

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    Of course you have, Gizmo. Anyone can readily see the many commonalities we share in our respective approaches to any binary even-chance proposition; yours are simply are more Roulette-orientated.

    I'm sure you prefer Roulette's many more even-chance streams (R v B, H v L, O v E, etc) in order to access your triggers, whereas in Baccarat I generally limit those streams to these two: B v P and O v T. And I'm fine with that, as I could never be a fan of Roulette because of those pesky zeroes.

    That said, how you're not getting more traction in you're "Reading Randomness" thread is beyond me. You're laying out ways of attacking a Roulette wheel when certain conditions are dominating and profiting therefrom....and you don't necessarily have to be a fan of Roulette to glean some invaluable insights pertinent to any binary game. I mean, I don't post in these forums much anymore because I find myself repeating the same mantras and style of play for years already, but I do have a look-in every once in a while. And your "Reading Randomness" is, IMHO, gold.

    It seems we even have alot of similarities in our session win goals/loss limits as well. Again, good job, Gizmo!

    And, while I'm at it, that is primarily what separates alot of the trenders at this game....our goals, our limits, and our money-management. You see, alot of players at the table will be betting on similar trends/triggers, but I've witnessed some horrendous use of capital at these tables.

    In other words, they might have the ability to read a shoe decently and get triggered onto some decent trends, but their use of their buy-ins are limited by either: 1.) Over-betting (read: betting much too much of their buy-in on any single hand); or 2.) Over-betting (betting waaay too many hands...it's just not prudent to even have an opinion on every hand, much less put your money at risk so often).

    So while it may appear as if many Baccarat players play similarly, just know that in reality, that is generally very far form the truth of it. I witness more players shooting themselves in the foot with simple mistakes that could so easily be corrected with a modicum of Patience and Discipline than I'd ever care to count, and the casinos welcome them with open arms. Any wonder?

    Play smart; play like it actually makes a difference to you in your life; play like you care....and stay well.
     
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  6. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    gr8, its so simple when you have skills.

    As far as the pesky zeros go, I have inside the layout EC options made from memorized sets. Four of those sets I memorized during my magic period. I also lost a lot back then. I watch for the zeros to be active, fast swarms or sleeping. I sort of look for two numbers that are sleeping while the zeros are active. It's a passive rule and trigger mechanism. I see zeros hit in groups of three to five as a swarm a lot of times. It's the same nature as assigned to the hot numbers. They swarm too, as witnessed by TurboGenius' & Ken's threads. So, because I have three groups from the inside layout and the three from the outside bets, then I have 6 total and useful EC data tracks to hunt triggers from. I use visual dexterity to see stuff. Without that there is no skill.

    But like you say, This telling the same story for years gets old. Stay well is the best streak.

    Thanks for the kind words,
     
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  7. jbs

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    Neither one of you have any "skills." And neither game is anywhere close to an "even-chance proposition."
     
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  8. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I have a skill. It's called thrash the puppet.

    I use chlorophyll to knock you out. I drag your worthless carcass up one of the sunny long faces in Yosemite. I bolt and chain you naked before the sunrise to the wall about 2500 feet up. I leave you with no water. The sun comes up and bakes you to a beet red at around 100 degrees F. Then once that is done and the sun sets you get the very nice cold freezing night where what's left of you becomes a freeze dried meat puppet. I prefer the slow kill. The game is how to kill a puppet.
     
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  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Gizmo,

    That's called gambling. Your bet selection is no better than that of a fool.
     
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  10. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It's also called forum disrupted, troll craft, loser in life, snake oil salesman, and decades long pest. Since name calling is OK with you, your mother had an abortion and you came out with a brain that was squished by the doctor. If you look up idiot in the encyclopedia you are directed to the most evil person to ever disturb gambling forums, you. Name calling is a lower form of admitting you are a loser. So keep up the cause. Keep showing people that you are just a bomb thrower. You can't make it in a real discussion. So all you do is try to wreck other people's discussions. You are a troll.
     
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  11. soxfan

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    Good to see the gr88888888one makin the scene and of course the nutjob, bottom-feeding, bernimadoff wannabe gotta stick his nose into baccarats related thread too, hey hey.
     
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    Wrong, at the baccarats betting banks is the shrewd play, hey hey.
     
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