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Baccarat I'll just leave this here.... Baccarat is a Money Game

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by CarloDarlo, Oct 27, 2020.

  1. CarloDarlo

    CarloDarlo Active Member

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    The sooner people realize this game this is a money game. You'll find success. The game balances itself out in the extreme long term. But you won't be playing the game for 10 Million hands.

    Long term is a joke. None is playing the game for 10 Million hands in a row. No mechanical system will work in those environments either. Stop chasing a mechanical system that will answer your woes.

    It doesn't EXIST. outside of if you believe in Precognition, identified a Biased wheel/ Dealer Signature / Counting Cards or Edge's.

    The only way to beat the game is based on the amount you wager. You will not win more hands then you lose.

    Because of how distribution works. You won't be playing for 48+ hours straight to see red/black Banker/Player to meet equilibrium if a bad run occurs.

    Only way to win is stop hemorrhaging money in losing streaks and using a negative progression to recoup losses. Not all Negative progression are made equal. Some are BRUTAL like the martingale and some can become brutal like the traditional labby or Fibonacci.

    The fact remains you will not win more hands then you lose. You will lose more hands then you win. So the only way to make money is recoup your losses with some type of negative progression.

    The recoup doesn't need to be a lump sum... People want to believe they have to parlay or grand marty.

    The key is a big bankroll and small goal size comparable to that bankroll. If you had 10k and were trying to win just 100-200 a day. You would have a much easier time then taking that 10k and trying to win 10k.

    Because the BET SPREAD you are allowing yourself will tame the Risk of Ruin that can occur. If you start at $5 units it's going to take and act of god for you to get wiped out of 10k unless you grand marty or something along those lines.

    The point of this is not to reveal my strategy or any strategy... More to help people shift there mentality. Chasing Ghost....It's actually SAD...

    Gear up with a big bankroll or don't play at all.... Your jacking yourself off going in 5 days a week with 100-200 trying to flip it to 1k. Going bust 1k-2k then if you went in 1 day with all of your 1k - 2k and tried to win small goals to build for that 1k profit you seek....

    People are trying to bankrupt the damn place with $500 in there pocket thinking there going to hit Wheel of Fortune or something......

    Like you work all day for $90 or whatever a day for some slave corporation and are patience for 2% raise every god damn year.... But you won't grind with a bankroll for $20 profit a day until you get to $100 profit days to quit... Shit is sick...

    Anywho hopefully it helps someone... If not... O well I tried.
     
  2. Frank Kneeland

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    Well I listened and I'm totally not going to do any of those things you recommend not doing. Of course I don't play Baccarat and never have.

    I managed a team of Baccarat players for an investor, whom I told the system he was using would not work.

    He said, "I just need you to keep everyone honest and sit next to them and record their bets, hand out and collect the money and do the accounting."

    So that's what I did.

    I dutifully watched him and his team piss away 100-gees (with excellent booking keeping). When he started getting low on money, I secretly skimmed $2000 off the BR as a safeguard, so he'd at least have bus money to get home.

    Sure enough he went totally bust. I opened up my glove compartment and handed him the $2000 secret safety fund, thinking he'd be pleased.

    Instead, he blamed me for the failure of the team, because in his thinking, if they'd have had that extra $2000 (remember, out of $100,000) then they wouldn't have gone bust.

    He walked straight into the casino, blew the 2K and ended up homeless. We did not talk again.
     
  3. ehtelgaeb

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    These are true words but not necessarily everyone will believe them. There are too many (maybe even too many of us so I include myself) that just cannot accept a 3 unit win. We all want to “swing for the fences” and win 300 units with a 100 unit bankroll.
     
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  4. ehtelgaeb

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    I absolutely hate to hear stories like this. Although Einstein is credited with this quote, he did not actually say it...

    “The only difference between stupidity and genius is that genius is limited
     
  5. Garfield

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    How about win 5u with 5u? Silly?

    To exaggerating is easy, like give example of bringing 10k to win 10k, 100u to win 300u...

    How about a simple one? Bring 10u to win 10? Or bring 2k to win 2k? Impossible? Won't work in 'long term'?

    But I do believe getting 10k or 100k from equal amount of buy-in is A LOT harder to do then winning 2k with 2k buy-in.... although it's the same in percentage and numbers, the emotional side is totally different...

    As silly as it sounds, I still believe double the buy-in is possible to do, it has same chance of success rate as to getting only 20-30% your buy-in....


    Why do I have to risk more to get less? That's a weird concept for me...
     
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  6. Garfield

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    TS said it's a money game.... I agree to that.... I firmly believe there's no BS that'll work all time.... sometimes it will, other time it won't....

    What you'll do when your BS give you more winning and vice versa is all that matters....
     
  7. jbs

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    "Everything works, until it doesn't."
     
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  8. Garfield

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    Everything works...when it doesn't, you better know what to do....
     
  9. fathead

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    Well said.
     
  10. fathead

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    Ouch. That is awful. I feel bad for him.
     
  11. gizmotron

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    This is the first time I think I have agreed with jbs.

    The trick is to take that and turn it into a winning method.

    I do it by funding the times when it works and defunding the times when it does not work.

    To do that you must come up with a way to use both types of conditions.

    Why fight what you can't change? Just work with it.

    Then all you have to deal with is your own internal dialogue regarding greed, patience, pride, guilt, and self worth.
     
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  12. Nathan Detroit

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    Only 5 % walk out of the casino as winners. Buy shares in a casino or casinos.
     
  13. Rustyshackleford

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    see if you had my system, you could win 3 units every shoe all the shoes, sure anyone can do it once but twice? thrice? forever?
    yes indeedy my system does exactly just that, it recycles the wins back into bigger wins no more cringing when losing
    ohhh if you only knew how recycled wins into bigger wins and recyle small loss into a big win you would know the sequencing of the math boi!
     
  14. Nathan Detroit

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    The martingale , the gimmick of all losers proclaiming themselves as winners .
     
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  15. Rustyshackleford

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    glad my system is not a margingale it is a hybrid system!
     
  16. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    If I only had the Martingale!
     
  17. gizmotron

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    If it uses triggers or any rules and it's any kind of a progression then it's a monstergale.
     
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  18. Nathan Detroit

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    .Gizmo,


    JP has great disdain for even a 2 step marty in Baccarat . He sits out a few hands for the next opportunity to show and then 2-1 series .
     
  19. soxfan

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    For me a style ain't worths while unless it is mechanical, objective and can be replicate by any or most any old cat. Cats make the scene with all kinda subjective jumbo mubos so you can't pin them down on their so-call success, hey hey.
     
  20. soxfan

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    And people keep repating the nonsense about it bein the 50-50 proposition and it ain't true. If ya buck up against one millions decision, equal to about 12 500 shoe yer gonna see about 8000 more bankers decision than players decision. So, in a year's worth of fulls time play and you bet bankers only yer gonna win just under 800 more bets than ya lose. Now the blows hard, winds bag, knows it all knows nothing, blustering harrumphing old codger will say it ain;t significant but being able to capture almost 800 more win than loss is serious thing, hey hey.
     

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