Intro Im an AP, lets smash the casinos together!!

My name is Richie, an advantage players with about 5 years as a professional. Looking to share/exchange limited knowledge with similar interested minded AP's. Let's smash the casinos together!!

 

Hello, I wanted to say welcome to the board, enjoy!!

Ken

 

Thanks Ken.

 

You aren't by chance the man they call "Richie Dawg" are you? Friend of Mark and Marvins from the east coast?

 

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No, I am not. I have spent a couple years on the East Coast but do not know Mark or Marvin unfortunately. It's kind of ironic.....I noticed a post you wrote on a different forum about a particular Spielo game. I thought it was exceptionally written to describe the past and current situation without saying anything specific as to how it may be profitable. I agree completely with your analysis. Very well done.

 

Richie, very nice to see your post. Exoter is a piece of shit. A phony motherfucker. Very nice to make your acquaintanse, Richie, but exoter is a bag of motherfucking shit.

 

Mickey, maybe you do not remember, but you and I had a little correspondence a while back. I am not familiar with Exoter personally and not trying to judge his expertise at this point. Any shared, well thought out, proctected knowledge is beneficial, in a nutshell. I went as far to put out my email to converse with potential AP's. No problem, can shut it down and use another email. U hitting the Jack last night or what......lol. One time u slammed on me and we don't even know each other's situation. I think he ( and obviously he will see this, and rightfully so I say the same) has very good insight and we could all be assets. I'm quite sure we are all in different markets! U are in Montana, I am primarily Midwest......where u at Exoter?

 

Exoter, where do predominantly play at geographically?

 

Just saw your unfavorable reply to Exetor......about your afermentioned forum. Was that in any regard to his and my previous talk?

 

.......correction.....his aforementioned chat.

 

"Im an AP, lets smash the casinos together!!" I do have some information to share but you might not like it. Just an observation here. I'm not sure how to put it.... however it actually seems like you are inexperienced, but not just that, because even people just starting oftentimes know this isn't how you want to approach other advantage players. Especially "LET'S SMASH THE CASINOS TOGETHER" (I cringed when I seen that). Most AP's shy away from that eager beaver stuff. Hell, I didn't even want to communicate with someone regarding t AP just because of the forum name they used.

If you were going to rob a bank and needed help would you even think to communicate with someone who posted something like that?

Serious AP's don't talk or think like that. It's more like, "lets see how much we can get without killing the plays."

It's like walking up so some random chick saying lets fuck. Sure it might work, however that's probably not the chick you want to get married to, she probably has something you don't want and you'll definitely regret it later.

If anyone did respond to you favorably from that I would assume you're on the wrong path.

If you are as experienced as you claim, god help us all.

You might find this all rude, but trust me, it's absolutely meant to be helpful. I wish you Good Luck.

 

Excuse me? Mickey, but a Phony? I think you have me confused with someone else Mickey, in respect to "current" games, I doubt there's a person who knows more about them than I do. My team travels 8-9 months on the road now, coast to coast and border to border. I know more locations, and more details on more plays than any single individual in this "industry", and I don't mean that to come off as egotistical as it will, or as disrespectful as it might to you and Axel, but you guys don't travel like I do with my team, and short of some smaller areas, I've ran into just about every "full time hustler" there is in most states. Most of which I've introduced myself to, and we've had wonderful conversations where we might exchange information, phone numbers, etc.

I mean, if you're going to call me a phony, look at your Mermaid post. I've known about that game, and have hustled it since around probably 2014, its about to be 2017, and you're here talking about the value of the play in relation to its number of 5th column tiles, and clearly still missing a few bits and pieces to the play.

For what its worth, if you were in Des Moines, IA at approximately 1:30am this morning, you'd have watched My partner and I kill a 250 game for $710, and pick the retrigger for an additional $84. Meanwhile you're debating the relevance of 2x 5th column tiles, which, newsflash, isn't a "play" for an AP. Further, you'd know there's a "trick" to getting a courtesy break, and you'd know the relevance of the top and bottom tiles on Column 4 as well. I won't give you more than that, Mickey, because I hate discussing stuff like this publicly, but if you read between the lines, if you truly know as much as you think about the game, you'll have it figured out.

The problem with most of you "machine hustlers" is that you KNOW a "thing" works, so you do it, but you NEVER take the time to invest into WHY it works the way it works, and that's a very specific thing to know about the manufacturer of these games.

When I get around to getting back to your coast Mickey, lets have a sit down, and I'll bet you every single dollar you have on this earth, that you will "think" me a phony after we have a conversation about these games.

Everywhere, literally. In the last 10 months, I've basically been border to border, coast to coast. I haven't checked out the pacific northwest yet, where Mickey lives, predominantly due to lack of time with having to run a group of guys at home, and travel team on top of that. I mostly spend my time from Colorado to the Ohio River Valley, and from the twin cities down to the gulf.

For the most part, this is 100% true, though most all Machine Hustlers I've found, are so freaking oblivious to their surroundings, they are giving plays away to regulars left and right without knowing it.

 

I'm going to be honest, and this is going to come off 100% cocky and arrogant, and I don't mean it that way...........But there is nobody in this "Business" that knows more than I do about that machine, and I've been on it for a loooooooooooong time. Same with the mermaid game Mickey posted about, yet somehow he vies me as a phony? That sounds more like him not wanting to pass the torch on to the younger crowd and trying to stay relevant up there in Montana/Wyoming, and receiving recognition online for his knowledge. I don't begrudge him that, but lets not say "phony", I really doubt there's anybody on this earthy with more Machine AP knowledge (current) than I do. I'm sure you understood that from my writing, because it was indeed my intent to keep that post vague, while being very precise to those that might know EXACTLY what I might be referring to, in a similar relation to Axel not talking about plays. I don't like doing it, but in the case of "proof" where a guy like Mickey whose reputation precedes him calls ME a phony, sometimes a bit of information might help. Honestly, there isn't a machine he could tell me about in the current state of "machine hustling" that I don't already know about, the only thing he could help me with is location information so I can come up there and scout out the area.

Axel's right though, the whole "I'm an AP lets burn the casinos down together" approach isn't one that's going to attract you the "right" response. It just so happens to be that your name made me think that you might be Richie Dawg, who I've been trying to get in contact with since January, and nobody has been able to track him down for me.

 

You may very well know more about the new bonus machine hustling nowadays than I do. I didn't bother with all that bonus hustler stuff unless I'm screwing around.

Don't assume I don't travel because I do more nowadays than ever. I oftentimes play for thousands of dollars in value and actual, not hundreds. I been to more states in the recent past than I can even remember. IIRC I traveled to 4 or 5 different states in about a 21 day period. Sometimes flying weekly. I don't grind everyday out in the field but I'm involved in many different plays in multiple different states but none of it involves hustling vulture plays. Everything I claim can be verified by multiple people, pictures, documents, tax forms and win loss statements. Hell, I recently lost $9200 playing in about 30 minutes on a slot and I couldn't even tell you the name of the city unless I looked at my records.

I can absolutely guarantee you don't know more about overall AP than I do. Nor do you do it at the same level. I've probably forgotten more than you know.

I know guys that do it significantly better than all of us. They play for 20x the amounts and value.

Feel free to PM me your best play and score. If it has something to do with bonus hustling then don't bother.

 

I'm not assuming you don't travel, Axel, I know you do. We've talked about it on another forum where you wanted to recruit someone for a play in an different state. But you talk about 4 or 5 states in 21 days, I talk about 15 states in 11. Just this last weekend I hit KS, MO, IA, NE, and MN from 4PM Thursday->6am Sunday.

Whether I know more than you about overall AP play is irrelevant, though I think you're making a bit of an assumption there. What we are talking about is specific to the current machine hustles, which is what Mickey and I both do, and he calls me a Phony when I know more about the current machines than he does.

As for PMing you anything, I think I'm like 280 something posts short of having that ability, but I doubt much anything beats a $2,200 win on a 50 cent investment, but I also know the games we play, and I could theoretically roll up on a $50,000 win for $1. But you're right, you know guys who play for 20x the amounts and value who make a ton, but they also lose a ton and require a massive BR. I don't. I can be anywhere in the US with just $100 and make money continuously. In many cases, just $20-40 will suffice for my day to day operations, and I'll end up clearing close to 100k/yr solo, more if I'm with my team. I'm also going to work 50-60 hours a week, and 260-280 days a year because I'm young enough to do that and have it not take a toll on me.

Point is, though, that in the current state of affairs in regards to machine hustles, I am no phony, and I'm very likely (having read you and Mickeys posts on other forums) more knowledgeable than he both of you on them. Its just insulting to me to hear that from Mickey when I respect the hell out of the both of you.

Be it Vulturing, Machine Hustling, Comp Hustling, or off the top VP plays/Slot plays like you work with Axel, I know about most all of the plays, most of which I do myself and with my team, but I don't ignore the lesser valued plays simply because they don't net me $100/hr+ in value. Money is money, and if I can spend 30 seconds knocking off a machine for $5, so be it. I won't go out of my way to vulture X's all day every day, but I do see them and work them most days when we clear a casino.

Having said that, I'm smart enough to know that leaving a paper trail behind is probably not the best idea, so when I go after the larger VP plays, and larger slot plays, it tends to be rare, not because I don't understand the value, but because I understand more, the risk and volatility of the machine, as well as the attention it may draw to me, both by heat, and by IRS.

Most people would flip out for $50,000/yr inside of a casino, my goal is to make more and be seen less, thus my traveling. In just over 12.5 months, our partywagon clocked 51k miles driven. I doubt you or anybody you know can touch that, so lets not assume that you completely know my game, especially so if I'm the only one here on this forum that can answer why a specific progressive game (by every Machine Hustler's favorite company) works the way it does.

 

We could be comparing apples to oranges. In the youtube videos I've watched the nudging wilds come out in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th columns. I suppose that's how it is in your neck of the woods. On the ones I play the nudging wilds only come out in the 2nd and 4th columns.

For the 4th column tiles I suppose you are talking about only 9 paylines run through the top and bottom tiles where the middle tiles have 16 paylines running through them.

 

What I'm referring to is your discussion in that thread you made, about what constitutes a "play" or rather, a "go ahead" to play because an advantage from that point forward over time, would yield +EV. Without giving you an exact idea on how to play it, because Axel and I both hate that you post this information everywhere, available for anyone to see, there's a specific correlation for that game between the "tile" locations on the 4th reel and the 5th reel. Certain combinations on those reels when you go to check remaining tiles, will be a play. Certain combinations will not. In your thread you and someone else discussed whether 5 in the back column would be worth going after, and the response is a resounding NO.

I'm not going to give you the play, Mickey, but you at least already know about the fact that it can be beaten, and you're making it public which I disapprove of, but what's worse is you talk openly about your theories of why they can be beaten, which is of no value to us, going forward.

Lastly, you calling me a Phony is an outrage when you're commenting on a game years after I've discovered it and began hustling it. Hell, I could probably have bought a house off of that game alone in the time that it took between me finding it and hustling it, and you posting about it here on this forum.

But, the issue I have is that YOU called ME a phony, and your knowledge of that specific game is less than mine, and Ritchie made a comment about my post on another site, where we discussed another game, and thanked me for the post and especially in how intentionally "vague" I wrote it, as not to give it away, and you came down on his comment and said, "Oh, Exoter is a phony". My ass, Mickey. I've routinely covered about 22 states knocking these games off left and right for years, long before guys like YOU and Axel knew about them, and as I stated, I hold you two in high regard because of your knowledge of these games and others. You both have two very unique perspectives, and know a ton about APing, so I give it where its due, but the second you call me a Phony when I'm basically the repository of all "current" Machine AP knowledge, is just insulting, especially when you pretend like you've discovered something that was discovered YEARSSSSSS ago, potentially even discovered by myself, because in my world I discover the plays long before the competition, and I never get TOLD about a play existing. Guys like Mark and Marvin who parked their asses out in STL, came looking for me to ask if I had known about a specific game Richie Dawg told them about, a game I had been hustling for about 15 months before Richie Dawg found out, and about 8 months before Mark and Marvin went on their road trip looking for me, or for the specific machine.

 

When the fuck did I ever ask you to give me a play, asshole? Fuck you. This is what your problem is, constantly talking down to people. Fuck off and die. I'll play the sons of bitches the way I want to and you play them the way you want to. I don't give a fuck.

And when did I ever say I was the one who discovered the game? Someone posted up about the game in another forum. I watched it on youtube and made some comments. All the comments I made about the game was when I didn't have that many plays under my belt. But I know a lot more about the game now. I'll tell you what Mr. Important Motherfucker. I'll post whatever information I want to post and you can fuck off and die. I don't care much for you "now that I know about it everybody shuddup about it" assholes.

 

Go ahead Mickey, play it however you want to play it, but the way you described on this forum is wrong, and you'll lose over time. Just trying to save you some $ from someone I didn't think I had a problem with, until you called me a phony. I'm sorry if it ruffles your feathers that I know better than you on these games, and the current state of games, that just comes with the territory as you get older, no harm, but how could you possibly think giving away these plays would be a good idea? The casino employees will read this forum long before joe schmoe gambler does, and you'll have effectively killed them.

Do you NOT remember Indiana Jones?

 

You don't know more about the play than I do. You just think you do. Straight up , motherfucker, talking down to me won't means I get to talk down to your ignorant ass. You're a fucking poser pro. I read all your shit on WoV. Some major retarded shit. You are really fucked up when it comes to Mystery Progressives. I'll clean your clock on those plays. You'll be standing around scratching your ass while I make all the money.