Intro Im an AP, lets smash the casinos together!!

Hey Exoter, my email is [email removed].....I would like to talk on private terms. I am quite sure we could help one another. You and I are basically the same age and view things differently than those who have played past games that have come and gone. I do not travel extensively, not on a team. However, I am sure that I have a game or two with a major glitch that you may be able to find if you are on the road constantly..... and I guarantee nobody knows these. Like finding a needle in a haystack, but traveling that much, u may find it. Hit me up.

 

Suspicious!!

 

This was around the year 2000. There was a glitch going on with the Williams multi-game machines. Someone had figured out how to get a 45 coin bet for betting just one coin. A downtown Vegas hustler I knew was involved. He got busted in AC, at Taj Mahal, I think. They confiscated $25,000 from him. He wound up forfeiting the money and got six a year probation.

When he came back to Nevada he found he could no longer use his slot cards and had to wear disguises to go into casinos.

 

You have no clue what "guys like me", especially since I'm willing to play anything that fits my criteria.

You keep bringing up uncapped progressives as if it's the only other slot/VP AP around besides vulturing. I rarely play progs nowadays unless it's in my face. I only put in long hours on juicy plays.
You probably put in 3 times the amount of hours.

No, I haven't spent any real time counting since 2003. To make any real money counting you have to be very passionate about it. Me and my GF will go sometimes, perhaps 3 times a year.

Don't you believe in Dice influence?

 

There were actually 2 glitches.One glitch multiplied your wins. I think the one you are talking about was where people could insert bills and force them to be rejected but the credits would still be added.

IIRC the casinos discovered glitch in the midwest because some guy was working it next to a patron who reported the guy was doing something funny.

 

So, long story short, you can't card count, you aren't a VPpro, you aren't a comp hustler, or a promo hustler.

All of these things I do, on top of machine hustle, and here you are trying to give me grief.

Yesterday, Mickey, I walked into a casino to pickup $2,700 in slotplay and walk right out, it was generated through a holiday promotion a few weeks ago where I made money, to make more future money.

I bring this up because you keep mentioning that I"m "Just a video line player", when that's entirely inaccurate. I count cards, I hustle promotions like the one just mentioned, I "Spoof" Win/Loss records to get greater comps and hotel rooms, I do it all, except for having learned how to play Keno apparently.

I guess it was shallow for me to assume you did all of that, too, but I turn away no opportunity to make money at any game that can be beaten, and when given a chance to "Sing for my Supper" I put on an opera for the casino. I'd make a wager today, that there are few individuals on this earth how know more about casino player software and marketing software and systems, as a player, than I do, and I take full advantage of that.

You are right, most of the machines I hustle are, in fact, video line machines, because that's what 99.9% of the hustles are these days on machines. They aren't, however, the only way to make money. I could make a paltry 40k/yr like clockwork playing VP in half the states. I like traveling, I like having 40 rooms/month in Vegas, 20 rooms/month in Biloxi, 20 rooms/month in AC, and deciding when and where I want to go. I like having hosts peppered throughout the midwest/south where all I have to do is pickup the phone and I've got an entire weeks worth of hotels for 4 adults covered, as well as food.

You probably don't play to those extremes, nor should you, you don't have people who depend upon you to make money like I do, Mickey.

We are two very different people, in case you hadn't noticed.

I like how you keep referencing seat time $/hr, because that's not what counts, Mickey. What counts is the $/hr on the clock from when you start "work" for the day by setting foot out that door, to when you flop back into bed.

Nobody gives a shit if your "seat time" is worth $140/hr, but you play for 9 minutes a day. That's not enough to feed a family.

Richie I'd love to get in touch with you but it shows your email was removed by a moderator, not entirely sure why.

What is suspicious? What did I miss?

I keep bringing it up, Axel, because its really the only thing differentiated us from what we've talked about on these forums. I've certainly discussed far more plays than you have, if you understand the code I've been using like Richie has picked up on.

I brought up counting because its the "cream of the crop" in terms of AP's in the world, but also because you gave me grief for Keno, yet here you two are, not card counting, not comp hustling, not VPpro, not promo hustling, which are all things I do 24/7/365.

And yet I sit back and question why I'm arguing with two "pros" who don't even utilize every available method they can to make money.

Do I believe in DI the way Mendelson and ME do? No, that's some kind of gamblers wet dream. As I've explained on that forum, you can't make a specific number set show up, you can only find a way to be consistent enough to limit certain combinations. Even then, simply doing that, you still have to come up with a way to make money on it, and neither of those two could wrap their heads around the idea of the next step. Its absolutely possible, I roll with a few DI's several times a year, and it'll blow your mind, but unless you know how to bet it, its absolutely worthless information to have. The only real way to bet it comes out to like $5-7/hr depending on table limits and rules. Not worth it, but its an interesting skill to have, works great in Monopoly.

 

exoter, your reading comprehension sucks, your ego is overblown, your insolence is pathetic. You stated on Wov that your hourlyrate is $33. And right on this site you called $30 an hour phenomenal for the midwest. Now, all of a sudden, you are making thousands per day. What a joke.

 

Exoter, you need to reread the above. However, you are right. I no longer work room and meal comp. But guess what, exogenius, if you ever hit Montana you won't be working room and meal comp either. You will have to pay your own freight in it's entirety. Room and meal comp doesn't exist here.

 

Ok, let me say it this way.....[email removed]

Ok Exoter, let's try it this way .......[email removed]

 

The fact that you suggested card counting is the cream of the crop is telling. People move on from card counting not go backwards, with the exceptions of people who love doing it or people who are traveling betting large amounts willing to get tagged. I guarantee I have played much more blackjack for much larger amounts than you.

DI works but its only worth $5 to $7? <<<Makes no sense to me.

everything regarding Richiepshark and his communication with you is suspicious.

You seem to have everything figured out and you're making bank crushing it doing your thing. Me nor MC can't provide you with anything since you indicated you can figure out just about anything and you have a book full of good contacts and an unstoppable team.

God speed.

 

At the time, it might have been, Mickey, but just as you talk about my comprehension, I will attack yours. That rate accounts for EVERYTHING involved in my hustling, starting from the second I LEAVE the house, to the second I arrive. I don't figure hourly for seat time, I don't figure hourly for minutes/hours in the casino if I have to drive an additional 20 hours that trip between them.

My hourly rate on Tuesday was $2,713/hr.

Hourly rates change Daily, Mickey, you of all people should know that, that's why we put more weight in annual earnings rather than day to day winnings.

Well no shit Sherlock, its not exactly a resort destination.

My point wasn't that you COULD NOT do it, my point was that you DO NOT do it. Nothing is keeping you in Montana, Mickey. I move all around for better opportunities and rack up something like 500 free rooms every year doing it, and I can eat basically anywhere in the midwest/south for free 7 days a week. The only reason I even own my house anymore is for the address, lord knows I'm never there.

Email sent.

I guarantee, Axel, I've put more hours into card counting than you've ever dreamed of. My first few years I probably put in 3800+ hours a year. When I move from casino to casino, I'm constantly scouting blackjack tables for table conditions, exploits, you name it. Counting is the cream of the crop, Axel, because it can always be done. You can't always been busy as a machine hustler, but you sure as shit can always be busy counting.

And yes, DI was only worth about $5-7/hr, or more accurately about 1.2 units per hour the way we were betting it. Its great for comps, don't get me wrong, if you can average a $140 bet, and milk $5-7/hr you're making decent money on the comps, problem is, it wasn't enough money to keep me away from other avenues.

I think the problem we have here, Axel, is that you DO NOT have a good toolkit, you look down on counting, DI, and smaller "vulture" plays like you're too good for them, and I use ALL of these tools to my advantage 24/7/365. I know that a second of my time wasted not making money, could be put to better use with counting or DI, hell, I could VR my way to $10/hr most places.

You'd rather argue about how you've seen better plays than anyone who ever existed, than actually put your nose to the grindstone, and I just don't work that way. I'll pick a penny up off the ground if its Heads up, Axel.

I think the one thing we've gotten down to, here, is that there are three very different sides forming. Yours being the "high and mighty" too good for the "small stuff" approach, Mickey's "Retired to the Mountains, telling tales of a better time" approach, and then there's my, "Work your fingers to the bone for every last penny" approach.

TO be honest, I don't give a shit who ends up more successful, and I certainly don't care to continue on a Dialogue where you and Mickey are going to circle jerk each other online about how awesome you two are, meanwhile I'm out there 6-7 days a week getting the plays that you two are too good, or too lazy for.

 

Blah, blah, blah.

 

Doesn't jive with what KJ said and what you started out saying.

Your experience, financial situation insinuation, knowledge. and posts just doesn't jive with someone who has admitted long to hours vulturring.

As good as you are I don't understand why you feel the need to yap about it.

You got it all figured out, you are too good/smart for the AP's around here.

IF DI works just bet bigger.

 

I'm pretty good. But I don't know everything. Or can't think that quick or on all levels quickly. My immediate thought about exoters hourly claim at craps was this guy has to be an idiot.

Axel's statement, bet bigger, to get a bigger hourly is a homerun ball.

But you have to remember that exoter's reputation is beyond reproach. At least according to exoter.

So anyone slamming him for not betting higher is just a fool.

 

Its obvious you have no idea what you're talking about, or even trying to get into. Do you know how much you have to wager to make that $5-7? Did you skip over the part where I said its great for comps and not much else?

Have you forgotten how hard it is to get comps playing table games? Did you not put the two together to have the light bulb go off saying "Wait a minute, you'd have to bet a lot to get even decent comps".

Of course you didn't, you don't know what you're talking about. But heaven forbid, while not knowing what you're talking about, you refrain from making a response to it, like, "Just bet bigger".

How ignorant, Axel.

Almost as ignorant as the claim where you try to slam me for spending long hours vulturing. You make it seem like all vulture plays are worth pennies, and if that were the case, and I could easily revert to making $20/hr or more playing blackjack, why would I vulture for pennies? Oh, right, because that particular vulture play was probably worth a hell of a lot more than $20/hr.

You really need to stop making assumptions about everything, Axel, I'm starting to question the validity of the claims you make, seeing as how you're so naive and ignorant about everything I've discussed here.

Some of this is really pretty common-sense.

 

Yeah, I get it. You're a compulsive gambler that plays craps and takes the comps to pretend you won something.

 

Either DI works or it doesn't. There's even money to be made randomly rolling at various locations so any positive infuance would jack that up significantly. I'm not going to go through it here publicly just to prove anything.
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It's to time-consuming correcting your misstatements. For instants, you said that "I look down on card counting".
That's absolutely the opposite of my views on card counting. A good counter who's well funded and motivated could do VERY well. IMO if you are smart, well banked, motivated and good enough to pull off card counting, there are much better opportunities.

No matter what anyone says you know better than they do, or you do/done it better or put you some defensive spin on it.

Again it's too time-consuming or information sensitive correct you and your misstatements.
Either you know what you're doing and you are out doing it while filling your suitcase with money or you're not. Don't talk about it, just do it. No one doing anything legitimately worthwhile is going to talk about it or even mention their locations.

 

I wouldn't call it compulsive gambling just selective memory or positive variance verification.

You can make money playing for mail on craps. but it has nothing to do with DI.

Ask R.M. we ran into each other at a location with such a situation. But if you're betting green chips it's worthless. You had to bet thousands.

 

I knew an AP in Reno that played craps at the El Dorado for the mail. All he was doing was betting the pass line and taking the free odds. They eventually cut him off.

 

suspicious...