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Roulette Is it possible to Beat Roulette?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Rona, Jun 13, 2019.

  1. Ka2

    Ka2 Active Member

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    Wow thats almost a 50% decline!!! And that with a system that wins every session ... right turboooooooo
     
  2. Ka2

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    Oh Dear Turbo what a trip YOU are, still trying to convince yourself eh. First of all you had 18 freaking resets???? why on earth do you need a reset with a winning system that wins every session??? And second you cant say in hindsight see i only needed a bankroll of 58000. No, that would mean you lost more than 90% of your bankroll in reset 17!!! With that percentage gone you obviously know nothing from money management.
     
  3. Ka2

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    p.s. were is your original account like bago said. Guess most of us now why.
     
  4. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    As it said, it was a "fun account" to mess with ideas - and still had no problem staying in first place.
    Even including the resets it was into profit by a huge margin.
    Sadly - you don't understand simple math and are trolling.

    My original account is safe and sound and also in first place. When the time is right and I feel like shutting up the trolls (yet again).. I'll post it (again).
     
  5. Ka2

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    And yes how many resets had that original account 0??? And why is it hiding???
     
  6. Nathan Detroit

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  7. Tazz_man

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    Personally, I lean towards the comments I found on the Rouletteaid page:

    “ MATHEMATICS WERE WRONG

    The mathematics that we have applied so far to calculate the chances of winning at roulette, are WRONG.

    There is no example or mathematical proof that proves that a successful strategy cannot produce profit. This is so, because we are talking about a game of chance and no one can prove or ensure that you must always lose.

    We know that the advantage of the casino is an obvious factor for every roulette player; Because it keeps a good part of its profits. Of course, if this advantage could be nullified, our bets and odds of winning as players would be higher. But we believe that this advantage of the casino, is overrated, it’s too exaggerated. Next, we will show you that it is not the definitive factor that is preventing you from getting up from the casino table, with your pockets full, and does not justify that any player cannot win the roulette with the appropriate strategy. Let's see:

    • According to the usual mathematical approaches, the casino enjoys a 2.7% advantage, which could be similar to a tax we have on our business or company. By setting the analogies, this would mean that you should not make money with your business because you must pay a 2.7% tax. That does not seem very logical.

    • In addition, the scientific or mathematical approaches that now rule, overlook any possibility of applying a good strategy to win at roulette. That is, it is wrongly considered that making random bets is the same as following a successful strategy. Nor is the issue of progressions considered ... They are saying that it does not matter how you play roulette, you will always lose. They simply avoid incorporating into their equations these important factors that influence the outcome of the game; And are limited to making a rather superficial mathematical evaluation. Since it is almost impossible to assess these factors mathematically, one simply chooses to ignore them.

    As you can see, the statistical approach is supported by an incomplete, and therefore erroneous, bases.

    THEN WHY DO WE LOSE?

    If the casino’s advantage is not a crucial factor for the development of the game,

    Why do we lose?

    The great difficulty that a player suffers to obtain a profit at roulette is the main reason why the advantage of the casino has become such a popular myth. While it is true that the 2.7% advantage that the casino has, plays against us. We can overcome this obstacle with the right tools, like with a good strategy, progressions, and NOW ... also with the Advanced Artificial Intelligence of RouletteAid”
     

  8. TurboGenius

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    What you posted is scammer language and hopefully you won't be fooled or suckered by it.

    This analogy is not correct and here's why.
    The correct analogy would be this -

    You own a factory that makes cars.
    It costs you $30,000 to make a car.
    The most you can sell one of your cars for is $29,190. (2.7% removed from your cost)

    If you can only make $29,190 for every $30,000 car that you make - you can't make a profit.
    Within no time at all your company will be closed and in debt.
    If you were charged $810 tax for every car you make and could only sell it for $810 less than
    it costs to make - clearly you can see why this analogy the scammer creates is a lie.
    "That doesn't seem very logical" ... indeed.
     
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  9. baccarou

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    This scam reminds me of the old horseracing racket.
    The promoter sends out different horses for the same race which means someone is bound to get ''lucky''.

    So when you say that you have nothing to lose and you can try the 24 hour trial (and you still have to pay for that)
    Sure, some will win and some will lose and you just hope that those that win will get sucked in and invest in the full package.

    Nice try, but to be honest, I don't think there are that many suckers left nowadays, people have wised up a bit.
     
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  10. Tazz_man

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    Hi Turbo,
    Thanks for your feedback.
    In your analogy you are limiting the profit of the car in a free market framework. Companies will always maintain a profit margin on their sales by proposing an appropriate sales value and managing the marketing of the perceived value of their vehicle. Therefore I am of the opinion that, there are companies that succeed and others that close, depending on many more factors than just rates.
     
  11. TurboGenius

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    Sadly, this isn't possible as an analogy for roulette.

    The odds of winning any number is 1 in 37
    The payout is 35 to 1.

    While a company could do things to cut corners and try to profit, the roulette player is bound by the simple math of the game and those are fixed values.
     
  12. gizmotron

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    Somebody has been drinking the KoolAid.
     
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    What can I say! I think the answer to your last post was already refuted in the original:

    • In addition, the scientific or mathematical approaches that now rule, overlook any possibility of applying a good strategy to win at roulette. That is, it is wrongly considered that making random bets is the same as following a successful strategy. Nor is the issue of progressions considered ... They are saying that it does not matter how you play roulette, you will always lose. They simply avoid incorporating into their equations these important factors that influence the outcome of the game; And are limited to making a rather superficial mathematical evaluation. Since it is almost impossible to assess these factors mathematically, one simply chooses to ignore them.

    Thank you anyway. :happy:
     

  15. gizmotron

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    Here, let me do some magical math so that you can see.

    You have $1,000 bankroll.

    You plan on making 200 bets on the next 200 spins.

    The house advantage is that you must lose 107 of those 200 bets.

    30 of those lost bets occur in a clustered phase. You are able to target 20 of them.

    30 of those bets also cluster in a phase as winning bets. You are skilled enough to target 20 of them.

    So out of 200 bets you lose 87 bets at the common flat rate of $25

    You win 73 bets at the common rate of $25.

    Of the targeted 20 lost bets you bet just $5 on those.

    Of the targeted 20 won bets you bet $100 on those.

    From your common losses at $25 you are down $250

    From the lost bets at $5 you are down another $100.

    From the targeted 20 that hit as big bets you are up $2,000

    In the aggregate you are up a net $1,650.

    The math confirms that you lost the required number of bets that you should have.

    It all comes down to being skilled enough to target the losing phases and the winning phases and to adjust your bets accordingly.

    If you are obligated to enforce the laws of magical math then you must conclude that nobody can be skilled enough to see win streaks or losing streaks. Nevertheless this skill is common among casino pit bosses. They think it is just dumb luck. They think that there are far more unskilled players laying down their money. And in that regard they are right.
     
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  16. Nathan Detroit

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    I have a beer instead .
     
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  17. baccarou

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    LoL
     
  18. Nathan Detroit

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    @ baccarou , you got it .
     
  19. Tazz_man

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    Hi Giz!
    Although I can't quite follow your reasoning, I have to thank you for your effort in explaining your point of view.
    Thanks anyway!
     
  20. gizmotron

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    That's OK. If that is in fact a problem, and for anyone else too, you / they should not go into any casino or online and bet with real money. Learn how to win first.
     
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