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Roulette @Jerome - The Turbo Paradox

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Feb 6, 2019.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    For the sake of argument, I'm going to call this The Turbo Paradox.
    I'd appreciate a comment after careful consideration.
    Others are more than welcome to comment as well.

    Here is the Paradox. - There are only so many possible things that can be done here,
    each and every one ends with a negative result in my opinion, aside from the way I do it.
    But if you have a suggestion, I'm open to hearing it.

    So what's to be done ? (I'll include my commentary as well)

    A) I do what I'm doing. I post results and "hints", nudges in the right direction to
    everyone equally and it is up to them to work out the rest, test, etc.
    and make their own decisions. If I can help, I do. (this is how I handle it now)
    This means I'll take a load of sh*t constantly from some people, others who don't
    figure it out will be upset that they didn't/can't, etc etc. It's not entirely fair to
    everyone but there seems to be nothing that is.

    B) I explain only to certain people the exact process with details and examples, more
    or less like giving the complete recipe to a secret formula. (unfair to do so with only
    certain people and not everyone in my opinion).

    C) Post openly to everyone in public the exact process with details and examples.
    (this isn't an option in my book and never would be.. the results literally could mean
    that nobody wins in the end. The process of the game itself could be altered to
    defeat how it's done - yes, it can be. And with that knowledge "everywhere", that's
    no doubt what would happen. I don't see this as a win for anyone.)

    D) I post NOTHING. (the misfits cheer... "FINALLY"). This isn't in my nature.
    I've been at this since I was a teenager and that was 3 decades ago.
    Someone can start from this point instead of spending that same amount
    of time going in circles with the same flawed ideas like is being done on
    other forums by some members.
    I don't see this as an option, but it's always an option. I continue to play
    it myself and tell no one past what I've already said openly.

    ===============

    As you can see, this is a Paradox in it's true form. There's no answer here that
    benefits anyone/everyone/no one.
    I'm sure my trickle of info here and there is frustrating and annoying, and it is to me
    as well. Sounds like BS ? It isn't. It legitimately bothers me if I see someone headed
    down the wrong path.
    I see in another thread people working on it - that's great ! I can always
    nudge here and there with the expectation that anyone who does work it out
    won't describe it step by step just as I haven't... but I have no control over that.
    That means I have to be careful and post each comment only after thinking about
    it and how it could effect the outcome. This is what I do.
    Yes, that makes some people think it's all nonsense, and it's expected.
    And the easiest answer might seem to be to have a qualified third party
    mathematician yadda yadda yadda - of course - and that leads back to
    C) because this info would just end up being public regardless. So while I
    have spoken to people about it who would qualify - it doesn't mean I gave
    all the info to them with specifics.

    Sure this might seem bizarre but play along if you wish to. Everyone seems to
    have their own individual criteria for what is proof and what isn't. I've heard
    from 20 million tested spins (4 times over lol) to demonstration of a few spins
    in someone's house on their wheel - to exposing the details in the open so
    someone else can test it - to playing at MPR for example where there still doesn't
    seem to be random/fair play and the method would be exposed. So here lies the
    problem.

    I've posted results from RX.
    I've posted results from Parx Online.
    I've posted results from Roulette Simulator.
    I've posted results from Casino play via entering all spins into RX to show results.
    I've posted more than enough hints and clues and pointers in the right direction,
    but I could still do more - just not much more.
    None of these of course count as anything to the skeptical crowd, and they have
    every right to be. If someone says it's possible while everyone has said it isn't,
    then Occam's razor fans will of course think the simplest explanation is the right
    one - which is that I'm full of it. I'm ok with that - and using "A)" above as I always
    have.
    I'm curious as to your detailed explanation considering the "shoe on the other foot"
    for a moment. What path makes the most logical sense to you ? If it's something
    other than "A)" above, then by all means let me have it.

    Cheers.
     
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  2. Mako

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    "A" works well, especially with your new Ignore list being in place and active.

    The group that likes to explore and try new things enjoys the challenge of the journey (or Bataan death march as it may be...:D), and should realize that if anyone does indeed possess a method of play that wins more than it loses over time, they are certainly not going to expose it via "B" or "C" on that list.

    It's going to take work, and that's fine. If that's not acceptable, people are free to go play a marty on an EC, or try to locate another solution that's been diagrammed out by someone else.

    And if there's a group that says the entire endeavor is just another giant circle jerk for attention, that's fine as well.

    Since the bet selection has never been determined, "the kids!" haven't lost a single penny trying to copy or duplicate it. If they have, without possessing a verified version of the process, that's on them.

    The older you get, the more you're supposed to enjoy the journey as much, or even more so, than the actual destination...
     
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  3. theLaw

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    Given how fractured the gaming community is now, I'm not sure that any of these choices will actually matter in the end.

    You've already given enough hints so that a few members can test and post their results. If they continue to be successful, then that will speak for itself, and others will follow.

    At this point, I don't think that anything would actually move the needle; even if you posted every detail and followed it up with a book......and it worked. Even if you made a run on the Casinos, and made millions, members would just find a reason to dismiss your claims, and you would still be no threat to Casinos at large. The world has changed a lot since the hysteria of Card-Counting. Now, it would only effect online play.......at best.

    This happens in every industry where we tend to forget that the world changes while we stay on the same path.

    I can tell you that this whole "dropping hints" routine has run it's course imo. The longer this goes on, the more it looks like attention seeking.......and I say that as a fan of your work.

    It might be time for you to move on to the next chapter with your work in Roulette. Not sure what form that would take, but if you truly have a working method, you should leverage it for all it's worth. Posting on a forum filled with trolls seems like a waste of your time. If you've got it, get out there and do some real damage!!!:D:D:D

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  4. AMK

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    Hello Turbo!

    I beg to differ with Part C


    C) Post openly to everyone in public the exact process with details and examples. (OF THE HG)
    (this isn't an option in my book and never would be.. the results literally could mean
    that nobody wins in the end. The process of the game itself could be altered to
    defeat how it's done - yes, it can be. And with that knowledge "everywhere", that's
    no doubt what would happen. I don't see this as a win for anyone.)


    Very few follow forums......

    Even if you post graphs bank account pictures a picture of you in the Bahamas it wouldnt matter

    posting the details of the HG wont ruin roulette.

    Less than 0.0001% of the people in Vegas could ever play it long term to make a living.

    If you told a good friend that you won 1 million playing roulette in 5 years he would believe you as he can see the proof but the chance that they would start playing roulette professionally themselves wouldn't happen

    Only few have the time and conviction to believe gambling could possibly provide for them! its one of the biggest social no no's to do to make a carrier out of gambling

    4 players max on this forum would play it as its just another system........


    hope you dont mind my rant Turbo, its a very interesting premise!

    Many thanks for the info you do share!
     
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    Creo que la mejor opción sería la E.

    E) Cree un grupo privado y personalizado con personas serias que realmente quieran aprender y que estén dispuestas a dedicar todo el tiempo posible para aprender todo el conocimiento que desee enseñar o detallar.
    Estas personas tendrían que dar la palabra y firmar un documento, donde estaría totalmente prohibido dar cualquier información a cualquier persona sin el consentimiento del experto / maestro.

    Puedes escribir mucho más sobre la idea más correcta, pero creo que este par de cosas podría ser algo para comenzar si Turbo quisiera, pero para eso tendrías que estar de acuerdo y elegir a las personas adecuadas.
     
  6. TurboGenius

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    Working on it, slowly but surely...My goal isn't to do damage though - As long as I can go and continue to win each time, and help people along the way - I'm good. So far I've accomplished those things.

    That's not reality really.
    Let's say Sir Anyone posted on a open forum every detail of how bias wheels are detected visually and
    with data collection - what methods he uses to exploit that wheel in detail, and the procedure/process
    to accomplish it all with minimal detection from the casino in question....
    This would probably be the worst thing he could do, it might even destroy his ability to profit
    from such defects.
    The casinos would know exactly what their weakness is, how to resolve it - how to prevent it
    from happening and how to detect players who might be using such a defect to take their
    $$ - etc etc. It would be a terrible idea. They aren't stupid - and the very last thing they want is ANYONE walking out in profit.
    Likewise - My posting specific details would mean they would instantly understand how it
    works, and a slightly intelligent chap could easily come up with a remedy that would
    actually make what I do useless. It would require a compete reset on my part - back to scratch.
    It's about the same as shooting yourself in the foot. Just like Sir Anyone making a post like
    that and destroying his future earning potential - he's also going to destroy it for people who
    do the same thing he does. It's never a good idea to disclose information recklessly in such
    a way. But that's my opinion and why I made this thread. All opinions are good and bad but
    in reality (how I see it) it's a paradox where there's no clear good answer.

    I agree with TheLaw though - the longer and longer it drags on, the more it appears to
    be something other than what it is. And what I've posted has been enough really.
    So "D)" is no doubt the best option. People will either follow it and mix in their own
    ideas and hell - they might work even better.. or they won't. The nice thing about
    the internet and forums is that this info is available for a very long time.
     
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  7. trellw24

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    Ok so here is my 2 cents, option (D) would help no one period.

    As for (C) The casinos are a business so they look at it like this.. If there is a person(Turbo) or a few people (Turbo's followers that figured out what TG is doing) that have a holy grail they are more concerned about the "threat" that this has to their business. For example let's say only three people played exactly like Turbo and they find out he's using a HG to win, if they react too early and change the game by reducing the payout or adding more zeros to combat TG and his followers they could potentially upset all the regular players that just play for leisure causing them to lose regular "action " that makes up 98-99% of their revenue. On the other hand if Turbos methods were to spread like wildfire and multiple forums are discussing his method step by step and there's a book on how to do it and casinos worldwide or seeing a huge dip in casino hold and notice players are playing this method and coming out ahead that's when they know its time to get rid of the game or completely change it. My prediction is if Turbo did this it would stay under wraps for a while as ppl of the forums would want to keep it hidden for as long as possible but because the Internet is so widely used these days it would slowly get in to the hands of too many system users and eventually it would get noticed by the bottom line of casinos and mainstream videos on YouTube or something. Option (B) could be a viable option if you had conditions like...
    You handpick the people, the people that learn sign N.D.A forms, you don't write out the instructions that way it can't be sold etc but then again that still wouldn't be fair to everyone. As far as option (A) at least it gives everyone a fair chance to understand without ruining it for yourself and others that are in the know. In my personal opinion I feel like option (A) can be greatly improved at least for example you can start a members only group where you can get together and all discuss ideas and methods based on TG's philosophy and can even ask direct questions where you can give more of somewhat obvious clues. That way you aren't laying out a step by step let me hold your hand recipe but you are rewarding those going the extra mile that want to learn that may not have figured out yet and you don't have to tip toe around everything you say because its not a public forum. With all being said Turbo doesn't owe us or anybody a damn thing and at the end of the day its his decision. If you have been at this since you were a teenager and do have a HG then you deserve to be selfish, just the facts.
     
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    This has to be one of the best posts in quite some time. Everything comes together in this.
    the fear of explaining to much openly, the enjoyment of helping people, the frustration to see some folks go the wrong way, without deserving it, the thread that comes along by exposing the knowledge.
    the most important thing ed, is that there are a few member here that would like to learn, that would like to study deeper im what you wanna teach. if you want my opinion, make an own place where you can teach in a more private setting to those that are comitted, forget all the trolls here, they don't even deserve bein' around here in the first place.
    i for one, am greathful in everything you given to us all these years. if you decide to stop with all this i would understand completely.
    a. it's time consuming to always back your own play up to those who just won't listnen.
    b. it's frustrating to know and to see that a bunch of good students are bashed in the ground if they are trying out ideas here etc.

    whatever you decide, i'm sure it's the right decision to all questions and awnsers.

    ed
     
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    Hi Turbo,

    As you know I’ve been trying to figure out what you’ve been doing for a little while now.
    I KNOW option (C) is not an option so I would be happy with more of (A).
    My play is already more solid using tips you have given and so I’m sure I would benefit even more by utilising more of them. Please don’t let it be option (D)
     
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    Hi Turbo,

    As you know I’ve been trying to figure out what you’ve been doing for a little while now.
    I KNOW option (C) is not an option so I would be happy with more of (A).
    My play is already more solid using tips you have given and I’m sure myself and others would benefit even more by utilising more of them. Please don’t let it be option (D)
     
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    The answer is here. Accept you to be at the total right of this curve. You can point how to do to your friends it will be useless... Why? Because if you want them to have the same results they got to play the same spins.

    If i say today my system is to play 0, it is possible that i'm also on the total right of this curve because 0 performed so much in my sample of spins... If i wanted to tell my friends they should have played the same sample as me.

    If my grandma with her system is on the total right of this curve, she might want to tell to her friends but they should have played also the sample of spins than she did.

    You must accept the Normal Law, where obviously there will be people on the total right of the curve as you are... because there will be some... You will have a Gauss curve for anything you could do at Roulette.

    Last time Jekhb said he ran 500 sessions before jumping... Does it mean you could make 500 sessions before jumping? No He could have jumped on the First/Second session etc etc. You got to think that if you multiply whatever you're doing by 1000 variables, it will be represented by 1000 variables (as you won't play the same sample of spins) And this will form a Gauss curve, that's the Normal Law. In short, what you pretend is to break the Normal Law. The truth is you cannot know where you'll be placed on it, but just imagine what different players might think about their place, the total right will feel a genious, the total left will think the same system doesn't work and try another till he has a good place on the curve to feel as the first one.

    We don't argue with the fact that there will be players at the total right of the curve... It is how it has to be, but i argue with the fact that you're breaking the Normal Law.

    Just make some experiences with anything you got in your head, multiply it by 1000 tries and see that as 1000 different players... you'll see everytime a Gauss curve 's shape. To be realist, let enough spins, as a sample of spins you could play in your whole life to let the law of large number talk.
     
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    turbo,

    first of all whatever you decide thank you for your ideas, its up to the individual to test, apply or move on to another game or another "system"

    before i read your ideas i thought roulette was unbeatable, BUT your ideas have made me keep testing and searching for your "way" or a way to win --but i dont think i will ever figure it out, but ill keep trying until i get bored. my tests work sometimes against one set of numbers, but will lose against another set, so i know i'm missing something.

    i hope you stay and open up a question and answer thread and answer what you are able to, in order to nudge us i the right direction.

    keep the trolls on ignore and continue on the forum as there are many who appreciate you.
     
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    @ Turbo,

    Really, I'm fine with (A). My previous comments which you quoted at the top of the first post weren't really intended to be an argument for (D). And I don't think the "misfits" would be cheering if you stopped posting altogether because I'm sure they're having fun. My remarks were more about possible explanations why certain posters seem a little OTT in their attacks. Who knows? maybe Bago was a former keen student of your methods, but in time you made a monster of him, lol.

    And my motivation isn't to "save the kids" either, not primarily anyway. Although it has to be said that here in the UK there are an increasing number of minors who are gambling (probably the same across the pond), and these kids really don't have the critical faculties to understand what they may be getting into.

    Sure, but you have to grant that there are those on the "other side" who are similarly bothered what they perceive as YOUR wrong path. It's ok to have heated arguments as long as things don't get too nasty (but that's what the mods are for) and I'm a firm believer that's it better to have some discussion rather than none. There's always something both parties can learn provided we don't endlessly recycle the same arguments, then I agree it's time to stop (and sadly, this happens far too often).

    I can understand why (C) isn't an option, even though I think you're overestimating the danger. Plenty of businesses maintain their competitive advantage only because they keep their proprietary "systems" to themselves; that's just common sense, although when Ed Thorp wrote "Beat the Dealer" it actually resulted in more profit for the casinos because every Tom, Dick & Harry thought they could cash in, but it turned out that counting cards wasn't that easy.

    But I wonder what would happen if someone did work out your system in detail. Obviously if they posted the method here you wouldn't confirm it, and I'm sure you get a LOT of emails, lol; do you give these people extra hints which you wouldn't post in the public area? I guess not because that would be like (B), except that you wouldn't be giving away the whole recipe.

    Anyway, I have some more thoughts but have run out of time right now, later...
     
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    As I have learned through the years...... if something/someone is bothering you in life, get rid of it. Its not worth the aggravation, wasted time and/or heartache.

    Ken
     
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    Thanks for the comments, and whatever else is added in the future.

    Not actually, anyone starting at any point would win using something that doesn't lose.
     
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    The above comment really is worthy of a meme. I'm really really really really really really trying hard not to post it. Really!
     
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    As a "fun" and obvious side note - if you play at a online casino, they already have this protection
    in place against system players who (like myself) could win anytime they want. If you're using a
    system that wins they can simply close your account and pay you nothing.
    "Go make millions"... lol.
    It's so interesting how no system can win yet they are smart enough (or they know) that
    this game certainly can be beaten - and they have included it in their TOS as a protection
    not to pay you in the event you figure out how to win. (nice right ?)
    Here's a sample from Golden Nugget where my online account is :

    If the game play on your Account indicates that you are using any betting techniques we disapprove, in our discretion, we shall immediately block the Account and retain any funds in said Account.

    Now the misfits will tell us all how no system works, there's no way to beat roulette - all of the experts
    all through time and wikipedia (and heck even Einstein) said it can't be beaten... 1+1=2 !!! All those
    funny quotes they use to deter people from looking for the answer...
    Meanwhile - the ones who have money on the line already know this is possible, and if they don't -
    legally they have their asses covered with this "cheating" condition in their TOS.
    Sorry, but it's not cheating at all..
    They will certainly disapprove of any system that wins - or a progression that wins long term.
    Just like a casino will ban you for winning (but remember, no one can win....) Strange isn't it ?
    So on one hand you can believe there's no way to win... (but online and brick and mortar casinos
    make 100% sure to cover their asses so they don't have to pay out when the/a "Holy Grail"
    surfaces with loophole(s) in their TOS.)
    Or you can believe the sensible side - that it certainly can be beaten, and they are smart
    enough to point to anyone who never loses and immediately stop them from winning (more).
     
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  18. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    That's the silliest thing I've read all day.
     
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    Here's a gambler (Billy Walters) that won playing hot numbers correctly.
    And guess what, the game is still around.




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    Shit, so it's useles to even atempt to go from 10-25000 im a year. because i always win, they will ban me for sure. damn.
     

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