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Baccarat Just for Kicks and Giggles

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by soxfan, Jul 2, 2019.

  1. soxfan

    soxfan Active Member

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    Well it's been a coupla months now since the pricks at my local squeeze my out of ation. So, I been testing thousands of shoe, different style tryin to come up with something to allow me to win well and regular without havin to use a progression that require ya to place large unit wager. I think I come up with something but I still think the best way to buck up against the baccarat is to use a serious, deep progression and just ride out the losses. I know the john-O adapt a different way but I just ain't got the temperament to run that style. Over the year a lot of cats have made the scene with long talk about that and this, and some ap-wiseguy and mathite claim it don't matter how you make yer bet cuz you'll get clipped without an "edge". I guess I mostly believed that and my bets selection was nothing special and still managed to grind a decent full times living at the baccarats for over 12 year. But recently with lotsa time on my hand I wanted to test something very simple, using a very effective deep negative progression just betting players, and bankers, straight through. The progression I used is as follow:

    1-1-1-2/5-10-15-25-40-65-100 units bets
    3-2-1-3/-5-10-10-15-20-30-35 units profits
    So, cut to tha chase, I used this modify star style and buck up against 302 shoe betting straight through. The end result betting straight players all the way through would have clipped ya for a loss of -777 units. Conversely, just betting bankers all the way through would have allowed ya to capture 4089 units of sweet, sweet sweet gross profits. I gotta say I was a little surprised by the result but maybe some of you cats could see that coming, hey hey?
     
  2. R19

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    Man you going deep. At 100 baseline, you could do 10,000, but if you have the bankroll to buck up to it...
     
  3. bob

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    thanks sox, how many times you get clipped in 302 shoes ?, are they 8 deck ?. have you ever pushed 5k out on the felt ?.
    I would have to go to china, to have an extra set of balls attached for this prog.
    cheers
     
  4. soxfan

    soxfan Active Member

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    I said it again and I'll say it before, the difference between cats winning or losing most often boil down to balls and bankroll. And yeah I used this style years back when my local offered a nice fat spread between min/max bets. And yeah it's good to able to stand getting clipped for ten straights loss, then come over the top and capture back to back win and skate with 35 units sweet sweet profits after winning just 2 of 12 bets placed. And yeah I've used full blown balls out start style as written so have come over the top makin 240 units bets to back up my play, hey hey.
     
  5. R19

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    You could go where the 6 figs + are available... but outside of that I have seen players range between 4 and 5 figures.
     
  6. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member

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    Hey, on the topic of spread, there is a casino not to far from me, that offers a spread of £5 ~ £15,000 (something like that).

    I mean that is nuts. IF you both the balls and the bankroll, that game is beatable right. Wouldn't matter how you played, with a spread like that, you could simply bet Player only using a Martingale or something equally as crazy.

    I was shocked when I saw that spread,while I couldn't do it myself, wouldn't have the stomach to bet £2k+ just to win £5 and cancel prior losses, but if ya that way inclined, the game is there for the taking, you don't play it forever, maybe double your bankroll, then go and detoxify yourself of the adrenaline rush.
     
  7. soxfan

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    With a spread of 3000 unit I would run star as written balls out with 5000 unit backin my play and I would win well and regular. A spread like that is unusual cuz I heard that even joints in Vegas are squeezing the spread at the baccarats and bj table, hey hey.
     

  8. Junket King

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    5000 units at £5 is still a £25k bankroll needing to be carried to and from the casino... Yes it is quiet unusual,
     
  9. Rustyshackleford

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    Im gonna try your system tonight Sox on wiz baccarat site, sands pa has 5$min bets well see how it goes and i know on winpoker6 jacks 9/6 can lose 20k credits just as well a fpdw 100.75 can lose 20k credits maybe longer progression is the way to go
     
  10. Rustyshackleford

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    11 bullets in the clip doesnt give me alot of confidence will try 3 to 5 times
     
  11. soxfan

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    I always put my bankroll on deposit in the casino cage and just play off the marker. That way don't need to sweat carryin large amounts of cake around, hey hey.
     
  12. soxfan

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    Ha, when I went from the 11 s5tep parlay to the 13 steps parlay my shoe win rate went from about 87-88% to about 95%. And this modified star style with last seven step double win rather than pure parylay allow ya to withstand the sometime frequent wlwlwl sequence that burns through pure parlay style. I gotta say a cat probably a real coconut if he can't win with that style, but again it boil down to balls and bankroll, most of the times. But test any style against atleast 1000 shoe before you buck up against the proposition with real cake, hey hey.
     
  13. Rustyshackleford

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    Is 1-1-1-2-5-10 etc a pos or neg system?
     
  14. Jimske

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    I think it's really important to keep track of commission. The gross wins can be pretty misleading.

    Also, it doesn't make a lot of sense to test shoes if there is going to be a subjective element involved. We all should know by now that fixed placements of any kind are not going to change the variance.

    IMO the holy grail is any method that can reduce the LIAR or increase WIAR to where a fixed bet placement can overcome the EV. I don't think this can be accomplished without introducing subjective elements. So to do this one might ascertain what a particular method loses to and plug in a mechanical "fix" in a hope to overcome the variance. Here's an example:

    Consider XX YY vs. XY Sure, they both lose minor LIAR to a lot of different patterns but XXYY will have a profound nemesis when out of sync with 2's while XY doesn't like being out of sync with the chops. A simple fix would then be to skip one bet when either case arises. Will it work? Maybe.:d3:
     

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    I just worry about the gross and the net will take of itself. And I think it is important to test significant any style to see how frequent and how severe the downdraws are. And then, and only then do ya know how many units bankroll yer gonna need to handle the worst case scenario, hey hey.
     
  16. Junket King

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    Doesn't work like that in the UK. Also I would never want any casino to know the sum of my bankroll, a bit embarrassing for them to know you have a £25k bankroll yet are playing a £5 base bet (1,2 3 units). You can get away with that shit online ;)

    There was a situation a year ago, some Chinese student had 3 x £5k plaques on him from a sister casino, the mutterings going on behind his back was unreal, it was like everybody at the tables including the dealers knew his personal business. They were as eager as fuck for him to bring them into play. As we knew each other, I told him during a shuffle, he was a bit surprised, I told him the whole Baccarat pit knows.
     
  17. soxfan

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    Just an update for cats who might be interested. I chucked testing the bet players only cuz it never did really get any traction only up a coupla hundred unit at best and really just tanked from there. Again cut to tha chase I test betting bankers only style and now after 1011 tested shoe show 9510 units of sweet sweet sweet gross profits. It ain't rocket science baby, hey hey.
     
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    sox do you bet straight out of the gate ? or wait for a couple of virtual wins, how should we approach the banker only style ?
     
  19. soxfan

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    Ya just bet bankers and I only buck up against 60 hand per shoe not including the draw, hey hey.
     
  20. soxfan

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    If cats are interested I'll keep ponying up the update cuz I plan to test this for at least a coupla thousands shoe, hey hey.
     
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