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Baccarat Kotch G3M1 Style

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by soxfan, Aug 7, 2019.

  1. soxfan

    soxfan Active Member

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    This g3m1 style intrigue me so thought I'd test it but couldn't be arsed to test against all 2000+ shoe I recently test betting bankers only. So instead I test against the stretch of shoe that was the very worst for bet bankers only. The worst 360 shoe included one with two bust in same shoe and one stretch of gettin clipped three straight shoe. So, for the 362 shoe the Kotch style g3m1 would have captured 551 units gross profits, or about 1.5 unit per shoe with the worst downdraw being 156 units. So I figure this style would perform even better against shoe that were better for bet bankers only style, hey hey.
     
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  2. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    Where can I find the kotch G3M1 style for a Look C.
     
  3. stephen

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    See posts 6,11 and 12 of Progressions thread. These posts are by eugene.
     
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  4. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    Thanks I'll check it out.
     
  5. soxfan

    soxfan Active Member

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    I done some more testings with Kotch style buckin up against another 250 shoe betting bankers only. It captured another 319 units gross, so about 1.3 units for this sample of testing shoe. So Kotch style would capture 870 units betting banks only for 610 shoe. That ain't bad and I'm lookin serious at unsin this Kotch style when I start playin live again in a few week, hey hey.
     
  6. Jimske

    Jimske Active Member Founding Member

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    I'll run this a little bit when I get back against my shoes and report.
     
  7. soxfan

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    Just wanted to add that the worst downdraw for this last testings sample was 131 unit, hey hey.
     

  8. soxfan

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    I like this Kotch style cuz of the premise that yer often gonna capture a win after the loss. So yer gonna capture a units profits after the lw/llw/lllw sequence, hey hey.
     
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  9. Joey Torres

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    Hi Soxfan,

    As per Eugene post, you will capture 1 unit on LW only. Please clarify about winning one unit on LLW and LLLW.

    Thanks
     
  10. soxfan

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    Yer only risking one unit in the 1-2-4, so after any loss you come over the op with the 2units marty bet so you capture one unit after any lw llw lllw sequence, hey hey.
     
  11. tondeni

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    Sorry to say this, but i think its not correct


    LW (Net profit = + 1)
    L -1
    W +2

    LLW (Net profit = -2)
    L -1
    L - 2
    W + 1 ( starting again 1-2-4 positive progression here)

    LLLW (Net profit= -2)
    L -1
    L -2
    L -1
    W +2

    Regards,
    tondeni
     
  12. soxfan

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    No, you can only lose one unit in the 1-2-4 progression so if after any l ll lll sequence you then win 2 units marty bet you capture one units profits. So you lose three units on any ll lll llll sequence. And of course you capture 7 unit if you win three straight 1-2-4 progression. So resolving this progression style you can win 1 or 7 unit or ya can lose three unit, hey hey.
     
  13. soxfan

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    Sorry, I made the mistake in what I post previous. You win a unit after any wlw wwlw and win 7 unit on three straights win. You lose three unit on the wll wwll. So you win on a loss follow by the win and ya lose if back to back loss, hey hey.
     
  14. Jimske

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    Always parlay after Loss so after 4 LIAR L L L L L = -1, -2, -1, -2, -1 = -7 and if win 6th bet +2 units = -5 and restart. So after a LW you gain 1 unit and restart so essentially you need to win 4 IAR after a LW to get the 7 unit 124. Seems like a tall order because break even on a L W W W L. OTH L W W W L W = +2

    Not crazy about this prog.
     

  15. soxfan

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    No, you only need three straight win to capture the 7 unit. The 7 unit is gravy but the butter and bread of the style is picking off the one units profits as you often capture a winning bet after a loss, hey hey.
     
  16. Jimske

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    Not always. In my example above you can L W and have 1 unit. So in thst instance we need 3 more W to get our 124 = 7 units. That would require 4 WIAR.
     
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    You win one unit profit three times LW,WLW and WWLW. You lose three units three times LL,WLL,and WWLL. The loss of nine units more than offsets the three units profit. You win seven unit profit one time.
     
  18. Joey Torres

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    Is this a good MM strategy to use at the table?
     
  19. soxfan

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    I would use this Kotch style at the tables for real cake, but you should test it yer self, hey hey.
     
  20. RouletteGhost

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    From what I see, this is a positive martingale parlay

    So only go to 2 units and 4 units if you win

    ?

    Or is it bet one unit, win or lose double it to 2 units, and if lose again go back to 1
     

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