Roulette Let's Talk Experience

Which person is the most likely to beat the wheel.



1. Young, thoroughly understands basic probability. Mechanical. Some college or has a degree. Studies the wheel and has maybe two or three months worth of playing a few times a week.

2. Old man. Has tried several systems. Is a system junkie. Has loads of experience. Reads roulette system boards. Has won and lost money playing off and on over 40 years. Practices careful money management. Eats pencils and paper.

 

Whichever one is able to win at a higher rate then the payout vs the odds of their bet appearing.
And to win long term they will need to be able to do this continuously and reliably - having a
actual reason why what they are doing works.

Age, experience, college or degree, system junkie and loads of experience aren't relevant.
A person just starting out or a person who's played forever using something that works will win.
Be it AP or a system player.

 

The only true winner >>



and of course, RouletteGhost & Denzie >>

 

There are two phrases above the tell you which person will likely succeed. There is a correct answer.

 

Be careful not to insult yourself. If I had a roulette question, I'm gonna ask yourself or Ed before Notto or Azim etc.

Should I not? I know who knows what.

Ken

 

It's a dumbshit's trick question. We all know that Snowjob is only into broke back wheels. In the original question DSAA asks who can beat the wheel. It's Snowman's world. It's the HG to him. So only the young buck is interested in observing the wheel. So he is the winner in this never ending quest.

 

Sometimes, extremely experienced players realize that fewer numbers is better and that it makes sense to only bet on the hottest number or two. I'm not really talking about that kind of player.

In the example, the key phrases are..

1. Mechanical
2. Studies the wheel (rather than the random game.)
3. Thoroughly understands basic probability. (Again, this means that he's not going to waste time foolishly trying to beat the random game.)

Player one is the correct answer. Such a player is focused on beating the wheel via VB or some kind of bias. Because he fully grasps basic probability, he knows math doesn't beat the random game. He's looking for flaws in the gaming device/dealing procedure that he can exploit. You'll never see such a player covering 24 numbers and splitting the zeros, while preaching money management. All the experience in the world is worthless is pretty much worthless when compared to such a player.

(The only problem that I have with the first guy is that he looks like some kind of arrogant prick. I really should have used a better picture.)

-Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone.

 

You do understand that this thread is nonsense.

I'm pretty sure that everyone agrees that hunting, finding and playing bias/defective wheels is a great way to play and make money.
and I'm pretty sure that most people "who know" - know that most system players are chasing their tail looking for and trying things that don't work.

Theoretically, after searching and hunting for a defective wheel (which the casino also knows about since they monitor their own wheels) and then playing it (if they get a chance to play it and the casino hasn't noticed the problem already) - the bias wheel player "might" make a nice amount exploiting it.. of course.
I'm pretty sure that's a no-brainer.

I have none of those issues though, I don't need a defect in order to win - only math.
I'm ok with a defective wheel because I'll be playing the same numbers, sectors, etc as the bias wheel player
if we're sitting at the same wheel by chance. If I get a completely random outcome from a perfect wheel - I win.
If I get a bias outcome from a defective wheel, I also win. (isn't that the great thing about hot numbers ?)
I don't need to scour the globe in search or defective wheel, track them (to make sure) and then do the rest of the work and expense to actually play them in hopes that it hasn't been noticed already and taken offline.
All I need to do it walk up to ANY wheel and begin play.
I'm positive this annoys the AP player(s) though - they like to think that they are higher on the scale because of all of the work and effort required to do what they do, and they are quick to dismiss anything else because it's simply not possible (in their eyes) for someone else to win who isn't doing all of the hard work that they do.
It's all kind of silly. Instead of the goal being to beat the game - it's to beat the game and then put down anyone else who is doing the same thing in their own way. But fair enough.
It's like the guy who works and slaves his whole life and retires barely able to get by but can look at his accomplishments and know that he worked hard for what he has -

VS

some moron like this -


...who in a 2 minute and 10 second video made more money than that guy who slaved his whole life.
Does it matter ?
It might seem like one of those two people you gave in the first post is doing it right and one is doing it wrong - but you're the one who's wrong. Just accept that there's more ways to win other than the one you've invested your time and effort in.
Cheers.

 

I lasted 20 seconds with that shit.

Ken

 

Real talent >>

 

Gizmo,

I'm into broken wheels, brand new wheels that are poorly assembled, and heavily into visual ballistics.

 

Touting experience claiming that it can help you beat the random game is nonsense. I agree.

Sorry, but the math says that you're method can't beat the random game. Besides, I've already proven that your method will sputter and fail outside of free modes.

Not likely. Inexperienced players sometimes foolishly believe that they will win if a wheel is biased. The reason is that they mistakenly assume that biased numbers can be detected and exploited in 20 or 30 spins or that they can be exploited the moment that they show via a system. There's simply no way for someone playing like you to distinguish the real numbers from the random fog of variance, because you have zero experience with wheel bias and how biased numbers actually perform. Playing repeaters and hot numbers is a dramatic improvement over chasing sleepers, but it's a fools folly in the random game/RNG.

No, if the wheel is completely random, then overtime you're going to lose at a rate the matches the house edge.
(Negative expectation) x (Total sum of money bet) = Negative outcome. (LOSS)
In order to win consistently you need to improve the accuracy of your prediction in some way. In the random game/RNG game there simply is no way to make such an improvement short of computer hacking the seed of the RNG.

 

Yes, and that's exactly what I do.
But anyway.....
Trying to get you to understand that is....

 

Yes, but then you make a foolish claim like this..."If I get a completely random outcome from a perfect wheel - I win"


In the random game you can't improve the accuracy of your prediction.


Claiming that you can predict randomness is an oxymoron at best.

 

lol. I love that one

 

The biggest red flag that system doesn't work is when it requires an up as you lose progression in order to make it work.

 

That's why I never claim that I can predict randomness. You don't need to predict anything. You just have to know what characteristics of normal random events look like. Nobody can tell when a trend will start, end, or continue. Yet those three things happen all day long. But what is real interesting is how expectation has an effect on people in a form of a kind of blinding them. If you can't predict something, you should never fall into the trap of expecting a thing to happen, except in cases where a different skill like VB or apparatus defects may be considered. But leaving out those skills, expectation is a trap. But then there is this: You can guess until your guesses are in sink with win streaks. At that point you are still just blindly guessing, but your sequence of guesses can fall into a perfect 100% pattern with your winning bets. You can still do well in a casino if your bets/guesses are just running at 80%. It all comes down to being agile enough to hit the good streak harder than the bad streaks. For that you need to use your brains. Stupid people should leave the difficult stuff to the smart ones. Everybody wants to get on the expectation band wagon. They want an easy win. And that is why sharing what works is not really that dangerous to those of us that can do it. D. Sir is not worried about sharing his expertise. It's a highly refined skill. It has to be.