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Roulette Lets talk progressions.

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by daveylibra, Feb 5, 2019.

  1. daveylibra

    daveylibra New Member

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    Most of you know about the Martingale, Pluscoup, d'Alembert etc.
    The Labouchere, although, so I have read, has been the downfall of many, is interesting in that you only need a third +1 of your bets to win, to be in profit.
    I think when applying this method, we should always stop at a fixed number of spins, to contain any losses.
    Now what I am hoping someone can tell me - is there a way of adjusting the labby, for ECs, so that we need less wins, say, a quarter +1?
    I am sure it must be mathematically possible!
     
  2. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I believe in a "Perfect Progression" and none of the above common, well known ones
    that fail. It's one of the chapters in my book I focus on. Will try to explain more later
    on how/why it works much better than the traditional ones.
     
  3. daveylibra

    daveylibra New Member

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    I can't wait to hear about it!
    Also, when approximately will your book be available?
     
  4. Jerome

    Jerome Active Member

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    Looking forward to reading it. To be sold on Amazon I guess?
     
  5. daveylibra

    daveylibra New Member

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    Jerome, you are a shrewd maths guy. Do you know how to devise a progression to give a profit on less than a third + 1 wins?
    ie n spins, x wins.
     
  6. Nathan Detroit

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    Forget the old time losing progressions. There are several winning positive progressions out there . With an open mind you can hind them .

    For the EC player there are 4 of them waiting out thee .


    Happy Winnings .



    ND
     
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  7. Sharptracker

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    I use to hear that the casino put bet limits because the Martingale would work. This is wrong except for someone with an unlimited bankroll and i guess that guy wouldn't spend time to win a single unit. They could take you 500K very quickly so it's very risky.
    The casino put bet limits especially to protect from positive progressions. Imagine a player looking for a 3 in a row of any winning number with a 10$ bet: 10*35=3500 3500*35=122500 122500*35= 4 287 500 This is what they want to avoid especially if that players know everything about variance and stop to play after his scenario produced.

    Don't forget that against losin progressions the casino will use their weapons which are mainly time, a big bankroll they have and psychologic weapons. Actually this is the kind of people they love because they bet more.
     
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  8. Mako

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    Nathan and sharp, good posts. These are the type of posts you should be doing in TG threads, instead of sniping, misguided character assassination attempts, etc.

    Ask yourself, am I posting because "Turbo is full of shit!" or am I posting because I have something to add in terms of a critical analysis of what the original poster is attempting to express.

    Less of the former and more of the latter please.
     
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  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    I feel that saying he was full of shit provided the ultimate level of critical analysis, and I'm sure others would agree with me. But nice try Mako. ;)
     
  10. Mako

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    Yep, if it was said once. But you've said it about 500x times now, so to me it just looks like sour grapes, so the message is diluted in its effectiveness.

    If anything it makes me want to examine what he's doing more closely, because why would a few people be soooooooooooo fired up about anything he posts?

    Must be something to it...
     
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  11. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Well, you know what they say, "A sucker is born every minute."
     
  12. Sharptracker

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    I can also tell you what they don't like even if it's a bit off topic. The casino likes to suggest severals tables because it flats his game's swings.

    For example it can easily handle 1000 players with 1K each on 100 differents tables (100 different random variables) but it wouldn't like to see those 1000 gamblers give their money to only 1 gambler with a million now and then to gamble on one table at the maximum limit.

    Of course that player could lose but if he's lucky... bang bang... Hopefully the casino can count on human being. The idea here is that it is good to team up, but it worth only if you got an edge, otherwise it would only be useful to last longer...
     
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  13. Nathan Detroit

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    Marko


    Nobody is full of sh*t but the martingale per se .
     
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  14. Sharptracker

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    I use to speak with a french friend, i met him several times in his local casino where i've seen him multiply his deposit per 25 so quickly. It uses the golden ratio and he gave me the way, i also hit the final step with time once. I paste the post i made in a topic here a while ago.

    You can run it on several days if you'd like and for example...
     

  15. TurboGenius

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    Coming soon, right now my eyes won't stay open long enough to type too much out lol.

    It should be available by the beginning of summer (June) but that's just a good estimate.

    It will more than likely (in the works) be in a free downloadable format. There's no profit in this for me whatsoever
    and there won't be a cost to anyone who wants it.
     
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    Hey TG are you still making your post on limits of Random
     
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    I'm not a big fan of progressions, especially the negative kind, but if I remember rightly the labby works by crossing off stakes at either end of a string, so I guess to make a profit on less than a third + 1 wins all you need to do is cross off more than two stakes from the line.
     
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  18. daveylibra

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    OK, actually I now realise that a labby, or modified one, is not the right way to play, because if your losing spins tend to precede your wins, you end up crossing off too many numbers on the line until you are left with 2, and then you are effectively left with a Martingale.

    Now my reasoning is this, based on what Turbo and others have said -
    Suppose we track until we have 18 hits. This will probably take about 21 ish spins? if there are about 3 repeats.
    Anything is mathematically possible, but most would agree that the next 18 spins will not be contained in those 18 hit numbers.
    In fact, within 37 spins we will see about 24 numbers hit. This is 6 more no-shows.
    So... we should see some of those no-shows appear.
    Suppose we assume, in the next 37-21 = 16 spins, a conservative 3 will appear.
    So we bet the 18 no shows for up to 16 spins. A nice limit to the session.
    The missing part of the riddle is, what kind of progression to use?
     
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    Did a quick set for you Davey, same as your rules above. Waited for 18 unhit numbers and let the number of betting attempts be determined by how many spins were left in that cycle.

    If it took 28 spins to get to 18 unhits remaining, I would bet 9 spins to complete the attempt. If it took 19 spins to get to 18 unhits remaining, I would bet 18 spins to complete the attempt. Win or lose, I would stop and retrack at the 37th spin.

    For retracks, I would go back as many numbers as it took to get back to 18 unhit, meaning if on the previous session I had 18 unhits remaining after 22 total spins, and had made 15 betting attempts to end at 37 spins, I would go back from that last 37th spin until I had 18 unhits again. Etc, etc.

    I played for six hits within the attempted session, then stop/retrack. So if I had 18 unhits remaining after 22 total spins, and then began betting the unhits for no more than 15 attempts, and I had six hits before the 37th spin, I would end and retrack after that sixth hit.

    26 total session or cycle attempts.

    1u bets, flat bet only, no progression. Spins from Spielbank Duisburg, Table 13, for that entire day.
     

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    Summary for the session.
     

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