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Roulette Lies MathBoyz, Therapists, and Casinos Want You to Believe

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by gizmotron, Jan 14, 2020.

  1. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    There is one thing that all three of these groups want you to believe and it has been the same belief for as much as 300 years. The casino has 38 slots on the American wheel and only pays out 35 more while letting you keep your 1 slot winner.

    You can look at the odds of winning the next bet or you can look at the imbalance of the payout, like for instance if I bet on 19 numbers it should pay me back 19 numbers because 2 times 19 is 38. 19 is a true half with regards to a chance. But if I do bet 19 numbers the casino will only give me back 17 and let me keep the winning number. So the payout odds are 18 / 19, or 0.947368. If I subtract that number from 1 I get 0.052632. If I move the decimal point two spaces to the right I get the percentage advantage of 5.2632%

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    0.052632

    So one way or the other you are supposed to lose $5.26 for every $100 bet at the tables in the long run. That is a lie that they want you to believe. It's in every gambling addiction book published up to this point. It is on the lips of every gambler that says they know what is going on when you gamble. It has been the basic theme for every math oriented contributor to every gambling forum discussion since the internet began. It's in all the gambler's advice books. It is the original "Fake News."

    They say that this is the long run advantage that the casino has and is the basis for their winnings. The payback does not mach the odds. It's known as the "house's advantage." It's also called the "house edge." The MathBoyz say that unless you can prove and use an edge you can't beat the house advantage.

    They claim an ability to use visual ballistics, precognition, physics based computers to compensate for this accepted disadvantage. But there is no long run demonstration for this claim anywhere that has broken in the news or the gambling forums for that matter. So the lie is unchallenged.

    So a long run test will be the only real proof of an advantage or an edge. Well that long run test has been conducted. It's right in front of everyone if they choose to believe it.

    In the past 30 to 40 years casinos have changed ownership from private ownership to corporate owned entities. Some of these corporations have gone public and are required to publish yearly earnings reports. They show the total monetary amounts of table game income for each year reported. They then publish the percentage of that total that is kept by the casino as gross revenue. This is just for the table games that have a 2% to 5% advantage. This report is the only real world long term example of the casino's real win rate. And you might be surprised by this. The percentage of long run earnings averages between 18% and 20% each year where the house's advantage averages out to be around 3% to 4% for all table games in the reporting casino.

    We are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars bet and the actual earning reported from the table games activity. That is a long run mathematical experiment. And it must pass corporate and IRS audit.

    So why the discrepancy between the 3% and the 20% ? Why do people lose way more than what the "Fake News" wants them to believe they should lose.

    The gambling therapist and authors want you to believe that you can't win so why even try to beat this math. The mathBoyz want you to believe the low percentage because they believe in advantage methods. This real higher number of around 20% wrecks their argument. It is no longer math based. It's just a suggestion that keeps getting handed to people so that it can live in their heads rent free. The casinos like the lie because it gives them permission to say that if you get real good you will only lose 2% to 5%. That's a small price to pay for entertainment considering we give you back comps and perks.

    They all want you to be "dumbed down." They all need you to believe the same lie.

    If you want to beat a casino you must beat its weaknesses. Stop believing the lie for starters. Don't try to beat the math. You must acquire good timing. The casino is not always in a state of winning and you losing. Develop a skill for good timing. You control when to bet and how much, they don't. They depend on people believing that they must lose. Don't do what they lie to you about. Stop losing.

    People will not let this go. They will continue to sell you the lie. They have to. They have based all their knowledge about gambling on it. All their credibility is wrapped up in it. They can't afford to be wrong. They will become mean about it. They will not give it up until they are forced to make excuses for why they perpetuate the lie. But the wheels are falling off of that train.

    This is where gambling is going in the next 20 years. Get on the right track.
     
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  2. Kairomancer

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    Well, it would be interesting to check the total players stats of all players for MPR as a starting point.
     
  3. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I wonder what MPR means? I used IRS in the opening statement but thought that everyone knew what that stands for. IRS is Internal Revenue Service here in America. You should know that the casinos can't lie to the IRS. Here in America all money is changed to checks or chips that the players must change for real money. These chips are only used on the table games to place bets with and to get paid for winners with. So each day there is a count. All cash taken in is put into take boxes. You see dealers shoving money or markers into slots that sit on the side of the tables that go into these boxes. These boxe's take are all added up verses what is paid out by chips or checks cashed in. This process includes markers too. That is how the casinos know what their actual total bet verses what is cashed in and what is paid out is. It's a good enough system for IRS audits.
     
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    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I found this: "MPR. Man Power Request. MPR. Management Profit Report." It's probably one of those. Everything is disclosed in the annual reporting. Just look one up that does this public kind of reporting. I found one in 5 minutes on the internet for the other forum, when this came up. You can find yours.
     
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    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here is a P.S. for those table games earnings: "(1) This compares to our expected Baccarat win percentage of 18.0% to 26.0% and our expected non-Baccarat win percentage of 16.0%
    to 24.0% (calculated before discounts)," for the chart just above in that picture.
     
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    First place is Intuitive, 4th place is Precognition out of over 500+ players, what are the odds of that?

    You need to stop trashing what you clearly do not understand! and your comment about the stats from the casino are contradictory. If the casinos are generating money from table games it means they have the edge.
     
  9. gizmotron

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    This is a discussion forum. I can say what I want. I don't need to be told from a person that has missed the entire point of this thread what to do. It is clear that you don't see the contradiction of a 5% edge and a 20% result on the books. I have 4 people that demonstrated a 100% advantage over Roulette with a win ratio of 2 to 1. But that does not confirm that the lie is somehow now the truth. You are clearly in the camp of believing the house advantage story but you dismiss real tangible evidence for a much higher return on bets placed. I don't think you gave Reading Randomness a fair test and you did go right back to your real interest. You now defend the lie that I clearly showed to be a lie. People lose at these higher percentages because they are not skilled in how to keep their bankrolls and their winnings. It has nothing to do with long term advantages. People blow their bankrolls and call it entertainment.

    It is not clear at all that your goal might have been to fabricate a test and to deliberately fail. I don't care because you can't remove your test data. When the world catches up to Reading Randomness you will be a failure in a world that has succeeded in proving that it works. Now you can rant that this is just an excuse but I will tell you one thing you did very wrong. You blasted right through bad streaks and kept betting. It's in all your results.

    I ran an experiment on you. I didn't tell you that it was not the right way to go. I let you take the instructions from the thread and tried to leave you on your own. You are the control group in the test. So enjoy your precog and the lie that the house must always win because of a slight mathematical advantage on each spin. I personally trained people and led them all the way. I already know that this works. The RR thread is a test to see if limited instruction is enough for people to learn it from.
     
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    I have no issues with your RR ideas. I told you multiple times, I wish you good luck with it. I have no interest in it, not because I disagree or think it might not work, but because I don't need it. My only slight issue is that you think a computer will be able to perform it, and that is where I draw the line. I believe when you do RR are actually engaging in intuitive/precognitive activity even if you deny it. Once you take out the human element, I believe RR fails.

    Think what you like about precognition but it has been proven and continues to be proved. The house advantage is real as long as you are not using precognition or physics. As the casinos improve their wheels and physics becomes harder, you are only left with precognition.

    RR is just a poor mans Precognition. Why waste your time on RR when you can spend that time learning precognition which is a real life useful skill, not just for gambling.
     
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    RR is just guessing based on situational awareness. In other words you look for clues that your guesses are in a state of winning in a swarm. When that happens you bet real bets or much larger bets. How do you know that you are not just guessing? Do you deal with times when precog does not work? Or does it always work?

    Anyway it is clear to me that you don't understand the use of situational awareness with regards to RR. You are married to what interests you. To each his own.

    And it's still a lie that the casinos win what they win because of the mathematical edge.
     
  12. Nathan Detroit

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    That`s why my system "Overlord" works so well. Before going to the casino I plan my my play and at the casino play m my plan.


    Doing very well with it .
     
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    MPR pfft! 500 spins is a joke and you know it. How can you expect anyone to consider a minuscule 500 spin sample proof of concept?

    I can guarantee if 'intuitive' hadn't turned into a chicken and continued playing for a few thousand spins the win rate would drop down to the rest of the system playing mob.
     
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    • Violation of Rule #1: Be Respectful

    ND you're so full of shit, and you're probably too fat to even get to a casino.

    Only someone with massive fat fingers types like you do.
     

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    Just like you train with RR. I also train when it comes to RR. I know when I am guessing and when I am using Precog. I have literally done 100,000s of trails. I have practiced on multiple different tests not just roulette. My precog training is comprehensive. and I have proven it on both MPR and Roulette simulator.

    Again good luck with your RR idea. We are not even really disagreeing but for some reason you decided to include precognition along with the MathBoyz, which I found strange. In my world view probability is a psudeo reality, whereas the mathboyz would claim their statistical models map onto the real world.

    There is a reason random behaves the way it does and the only way to truely understand and take advantage of it is by reading into the estoric side of random/luck.

    As long as you are not using precognition and do not know the deeper meaning of randomness/luck the mathboyz will always be right.
     
  16. Nathan Detroit

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    Bombus ,



    Go to hell with all the trimmings hell has to offer
     
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    Correction....
    I also train when it comes to precognition
     
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    ND, you devote most of your postings to belittling people calling them stu pitts and morons and system junkies, and then you come on here and tell everyone how your system works so well.

    I find you offensive, and always hurtful toward people. Placing curses on people and damning people to hell is a good example of how offensive you are.

    It's not my fault you're too fat.
     
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    What are the odds of two players named 'Intuitive' and 'Precognition' being top of MPR?

    If I had done 5000000 spins you would find something else to complain about.
     
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    Quote- Gizomotron:

    "The percentage of long run earnings averages between 18% and 20% each year where the house's advantage averages out to be around 3% to 4% for all table games reporting in the casino"


    the figure you are referring to - around 20% - reflects the house "hold" and does not equate to the house advantage although it is influenced by it


    the hold is a figure reflecting how much money is returned to the players compared to the drop


    so, for example, a player who "drops" (buys in) for $1,000 at a roulette table will on average cash out with about $800.


    he will bet and re-bet his wins - he may have actually bet (his total action) $4,000. in this example he will lose approximately the house advantage - about 5% of all his action for a total loss of $200.


    however the house will have "held" about 20% of his "drop" (buy in)
     
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