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Baccarat lightning & golden wealth baccarat

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by cr3awages, Jul 27, 2022.

  1. cr3awages

    cr3awages New Member

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    Hey everyone, Im new here, as well as newish to baccarat. I started earlier this year thanks to my dad ha. god bless him but this game has been a whirlwind of emotions. and it was all due to a trip to play tournament poker where i saw him play bacc and naturally got hooked.

    ever since, I started to frequent online bacc daily, and i cant help but get sucked into lightning and golden wealth bacc. I hit an 1000x betting on tie a few months ago and ever since then, i cant stop playing. specifically these tables. You can estimate that i eventually gave it all back plus more but at least im emerged into a volatile hobby :)

    Im curious as to your thoughts of those tables. I dont know anyone that plays it, no one on twitch that streams casino either want to play it cause they claim its a scam (the 20% fee i assume) or dont even know what baccarat is. they clearly dont know what they're missing.

    So if you play it, what is your approach? im sure the 20% fee either makes some strats unplayable or way too expensive.

    My strat is normally deciding to either follow the current pattern or that it'll break. i try to win 1-3 units and take a 5 minute breather and get back in. If i lose 1 buy in, i usually rebuy immediately. losing 2 buy ins, i try to implement a half hour break if i can control the rage :hurting:
     
  2. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    If you were playing in a on site casino you would never give any moey back.

    You might have some losses but never giving money back you have won .
     
  3. cr3awages

    cr3awages New Member

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    true but id also blame inexperience in dealing with bad runs and chasing losses.
     
  4. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    im sure the 20% fee either makes some strats unplayable or way too expensive.

    You answered your own question. These two versions of baccarat should be avoided. Bet only 5% commission baccarat, favoring the banker side whenever possible. If you will dig through old posts here you can find some good strategies.
     
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  5. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    What are the payout rates on Lightning Baccarat?
    The house edges of the three bets are as follows:

    • Player’s bet: 1.33% (in normal Baccarat 1.24%)
    • Banker’s bet: 1.41% (in normal Baccarat 1.06%)
    • Tie bet: 5.49% (in normal Baccarat 14.36%)
    As you can see, the best option is to play on the Player. Here the house advantage is very attractive: 1.33%. The Banker’s bet has a slightly higher house edge of 1.41% but is still very attractive compared to many other casino games.

    It's alright for a bit of fun I suppose as long as you set a limit and stick to it! You could get lucky.

    I always wonder how they come up with the lightning numbers for these games.
    If the autowheel is predetermined, then they know where all the bets are placed and can give lightning numbers with the least payout.
    As for baccarat, there is technology where they know the composition of the shoe and so again depending on the bets, I suppose it's possible to give lightning cards with the least payout.

    All this relates to the studio platforms. I would much rather play live online from a proper land based casino.
     
  6. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Where does that 20 % fee is being charged ? For what purpose ?

    The 5 % on banker is part of the game .
     
  7. baccarou

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    N.D. The 20% is charged upfront regardless if you pick Banker or Player.

    It's charged because you then have the chance to get paid out some juicy odds depending on what they choose as the lightning cards.

    So suppose the 8 of clubs is 3/1 and the 7 of diamonds is 8/1 and your hand contains those two particular cards, you will get paid out in a multiplier. (3/1 x 8/1 = 24/1)

    That's how the house edge, well higher is not too severe because you will catch some of these multipliers along the way (hopefully)
    It turns it all into a bit of a crap shoot really but no doubt it will be popular just like the lightning roulette because of the chance of a big payout.
     

  8. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Thanks for your explanation .
     
  9. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    The fee is based on the buy in ?
     
  10. baccarou

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    It's based on your bet, so if you place a £20 bet on Banker, the casino will take £4 as the upfront fee once you place your bet. The exact same thing would apply for any Player bets.

    Some of the multipliers can get a little crazy because you can have up to 5 lightning cards per round and if you were lucky enough to get 3 of them in your winning hand, you could have something like a 3x5x8 payout = 120/1.

    Here is a video of some guy playing it.

     
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  11. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Well explained , Thanks .
     
  12. baccarou

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    I checked the results of that shoe and had a nice little stretch.

    WWW L WWW L W L WWW L WW L WWW L WWWWW

    Flat betting would have given me +14 for that particular stretch in a normal game less the 5% on any Banker wins.
    Playing this lightning baccarat would have reduced the +14 to +9 with the 20% tax on all bets.
    I will go through it later and see what I would have picked up on the lightning cards.
     
  13. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    fees are NOT a tax.
     
  14. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    It's interesting!

    If I was playing that whole shoe in the video, I would have played hand 19 through to 52 = 34 hands.

    WWW L WWW L W L WWW L WW L WWW L WWWWWW L WW L WW L

    The video didn't show the lightning cards for hands 19-28 and so I have no way of knowing what they produced.

    For hands 29 through to 52, the results were as follows.

    W
    W X2
    W
    L
    W X4
    W
    L
    W
    W
    W
    L
    W
    W
    W
    W
    W X8
    W X2
    L
    W X2
    W
    L
    W X5
    W
    L

    I won 25 bets and lost 9. Flat betting would have produced +16 units less the tax.
    Playing this game, I would have paid 7 units in fees taking my gains down to +9 units instead of +16.
    On the plus side, I gained 23 units from the lightning cards and there is no way of knowing what lightning card wins (if any) they were on hands 1,2,3,5,6,7,9. And so the result was a minimum +32 instead of +16.

    Now obviously where it gets you is if you don't have any lightning card wins. After the first 26 bet hands, I would be +14 flat betting but the 7 units in fees eroded that down to +9. After all 52 hands, I would be +16 flat betting and so the the flat betting win ratio had increased, however because of the fees, I would still be at +9. So you can see where it's heading long term. You need more wins than losses just to tread water and hope some lightning card wins come along to give you a boost.

    You have to think that 4 wins vs 2 losses in an ordinary game of baccarat gives you +2, in this game, take away the fees over 6 bets and you slightly under 1 unit ahead.

    Hopefully all that gives you an idea what this game is all about. Thanks for reading.
     
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  15. Rond1nell1

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    Congratulations
    You really have an excellent selection of bets.
    I've been studying roulette and baccarat for a long time, I've read and reread these and other forums. I improved my game vision a lot, but there are still some adjustments to be made. Does your method have something like the Sputnik march?
     
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    This would be a death sequence for your method right? @baccarou

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  17. baccarou

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    @Rond1nell1

    Actually, that would be a bit of a dream sequence on a few different levels.

    For a basic starter, you have the single B's interspersed by the PP. Although as good as this particular play can be, it can also be a bit hit + miss if a player has a problem dealing with the terrible 2's.

    So for instance, after hand 13, you might be comfortable playing for the single B (looking for P) and you would have the following.

    L WW L WW LWW LWW. That's ok as far as it goes. You are going to pick up 8 units and counting using a neg 12 progression but you are going to lose 3 at the end when the BB appears.

    However, because what you presented above is such a unique sequence, you can have the following as early as after hand 11.

    WWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

    Now you may think ''no way!'' but think about it, it's just a recurring pattern / trend. I like to run multiple streams and all my streams indicate the same recurring pattern and so really it's a no brainer. This is what I was talking about the other day in another thread when I said that I am looking for balance. Well, you can't get any more balanced than the above and this is why I wouldn't particularly use the derived roads because although they may offer clues in other ways, they wouldn't offer the balance the way I recognize it.

    In real play I have never seen something as perfect as above although I know Junket King has talked about some incredible mirror image runs which kind of defied logic and so who is to say the above couldn't happen. If I look through different multiple streams, it's not unusual to see one of them repeating a 3/4 or 5 hand sequence in whatever notation you are using and it can be very strong, go away for a few hands and then come back very strong again.

    Thanks for reading.
     
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  18. cps10

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    I love Terrible Twos. It’s incorporated in how I play.
     
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  19. baccarou

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    They should be renamed the Terrific 2's. :D
     
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  20. baccarou

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    Just to add something for balance. I could take a string of results and then write down what I would have bet and then changed the result to the opposite and keep doing this and I would get LLLLLLLL etc.... Could that happen? Of course, so nothing is completely 100% infallible and it would be wrong for anybody to suggest otherwise.
     
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