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Baccarat Live B+M Shoes

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by eugene, Jun 26, 2019.

  1. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    3-1 ratio towards Bank, it was a bit weird the following shoe, cards from another table, was the direct opposite, heavy Punto streaks.

    Yes it would have been great to flat bet any of those banker streaks at £100, but why would I have done that. Neither broadcast themselves, you see it once, don't expect to see it again, to snare those wins, then you also have to wear the losses when they don't happen, isn't hindsight a wonderful thing!!! Bit of deviation on that second Banco streak had me grabbing an extra 5u, "AM" put me on it early, so decided to stay put, some trigger had me upping my 1u bet to 2u which lost, also the follow up bet of ABR -3u. So there was little point, however I recouped the lost 5u, aren't negative progressions wonderful. +38u on that shoe yesterday.

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    This was great, played way too conservatively.

    WWWWWWWW LL WWW L WWW (+21u)
     
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  2. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Who didn't randomise the cards properly?

    That symmetrical pattern gets me???
     
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  3. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    This is interesting.

    Capture Tbilsi Geogia.JPG Capture Riga Lativa.JPG

    When you play online, depending on what table you access, you can be taking your feed from either Tbilisi or Riga.

    Leave one table for another and you can change countries. The image on the left is from Georgia, the one on the right is from Lativa. The uniforms of the girls are slightly different (dealer told me).

    While shuffle procedures are the same, it could be worth while tracking shoe characteristics per country. The operation is run by Evolution gaming, I actually thought they only produced the software, apparently not, they run the whole operation.

    You can find out more here
    https://www.evolutiongaming.com/who-we-are/our-mission
    https://www.evolutiongamingcareers.com/who-we-are/
     
  4. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Online shoes are not the same as in B&M casinos. Seeing they are shutting B&M casinos in the US, maybe the Government should relax the online gambling restrictions? Cos' you guys need your fix right :D:D
     
  5. Chip Magnet

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    That decision is left to the states. New Jersey, PA and a few other states allow their residents to play live dealer online games at sites licensed to operate in the state. People living outside those states are excluded.
     
  6. Jimske

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    You think this is just abpout clumping from poor shuffle procedures? Or maybe a whole different algorithm from the machines? Do these onine games with live dealers use shuffle master or some other mechanical shuffler or just hand shuffled?

    J
     
  7. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    What machines? I've posted enough pictures in the thread that shows there are no machines used and I've waffled about the shuffle procedures often enough.
     

  8. Jimske

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    I'm talking the kiosk machines at Mo Sun using shufflemaster and live dealer. Trying to figure out why there should be significant differences in outcomes in run lengths or ...


    One of the last shoes I played before the virus.


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  9. Mako

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    We see what we want to see. If we want to believe that some shuffle procedures wind up producing drastically different outcomes, which is what this thread purports, then every streaky or choppy shoe will validate what we want it to.

    I was curious about it last year, started analyzing large data pools. Am up to 1000 shoes compared between multiple shuffle sources now and each winds up to the hundredth of a percent of each other for streaks, chops, etc.

    No advantage, or disadvantage, to any of the shuffle techniques. I did not compare pre-shuffled 8-deck shoes used straight from their manufacturers though, so I can’t comment on them in particular.

    We see what we want to see.
     
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  10. Junket King

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    Utter Bollocks, how much time have you spent in a B&M casino (don't bother answering that), those that have spent decades playing, know how often you'll see a streak of say 14 or more as an example. Fuck my local Genting casino had a competition where a punter would win thousands if the Banker streaked to 12 or more. This prize could go un-claimed for weeks, months, despite being a venue of 7 tables running 24/7. Yet online streaks greater than 12 happened more than once on a daily basis, but yeah we only see what we want to see, get F*** outta here..
     
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  11. Junket King

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    Ok, I must have misunderstood, seems to me like you were asking about online games, live dealers using Shufflemaster?

     
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    We see what we want to see.
     
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    Not trying to upset the apple cart : Not what they see but what they think they see .

    A slight difference of looking at a situation .
     
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    The stuff you buck up against at the baccarats as far as 1s 2s 3s 4s and 5s plus streak are one million percents certain to adhere to the expected streaks distributions stats in the long run. So the streaks data is one of the two sure thing yer gonna buck up against and figure a shrewd cat might wanna base a bets selection on the sure things, hey hey.
     
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  15. soxfan

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    Exactly correct! I've been testing a anti-streak style extensive buckin up against over 16, 000 shoe and last 2881 tested shoe have been from party poker online live dealt game and ain't no difference between them and the 13, 000 mortars and brinks joint shoe I tested, hey hey.
     
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