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Baccarat Looking or help on 2's

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by judge, Aug 26, 2019.

  1. judge

    judge Active Member

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    I'm looking for ideas on playing the 2nd line. Playing with the idea of when is best time (if there is any) to bet the 2nd line. Thanks in advance of any help.

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  2. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    Every hand is RANDOM, INDIVIDUAL and COMMISSION (house edge).
    As a dealer this is the hand that garner the most wins and losses.
     
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    In your chart look for symmetrical patterns that are currently continuing. There is no force on earth that will make them continue. But there is the ability to see if they continue beyond the first bet tried, based on the pattern. You have a 50 / 50 chance to fund any continuances. After that all the money you make off of the pattern is gratis. You know when the pattern ends. It ends with the first loss. You lose bets anyway so why not exploit a continuing symmetry.
     
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  4. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Are you a dealer?
     
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  5. judge

    judge Active Member

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    Thanks Gizmo.
     
  6. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Got into dealing with this thought. If you can't beat them, join them. Its so much different from the other side of the table. A lot of people try to win but on our side they do stuffs that looks like they are trying to lose.
     
  7. Craps

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    Let me gave you a method that a whale ( super high roller ) plays at my casino. I called it patience method. FYI, he bets from 25k to 300k a hand. There are 40 million bankroll in my rack when I dealt to him once. At the end of a marathon session of more than 24 hrs, he won 25 mil.

    He gave me a $25 k tip and I asked him whether there is a method he used. He smiled and gave me an indirect tip. It took me quite a while to really fully understand why what he did makes so much sense. Just 5 words. BET BANK NEVER AGAINST PLAYER. I said yeah, this is what I noticed from last night till now. I asked again why and he smiled again and said "think harder' and you will get it and then he left. Ok, a person who ONLY bets on B. I see lots of them and how are things working out for them? Not very good.
    I kept thinking about the way he plays and after a few days I think I got it. Betting B only is the offense part. BY NOT GOING AGAINST ANY P is the defense part and we know defense win games. There are tons of B players BUT for one that does not bet against any P, none so far that I know.

    So, on a P shoe, he minimizes his losses but when that B shoe comes, he hits all those B runs. How many times we see a B run but sat out on the side not playing? BY playing this whale's method we are ON when B runs and we only lose once when there are P's. Makes a lot of sense. The chop will kill this approach and that is why a marathon session is recommended. In addition one has to have good money management. Got to take advantage on B runs by betting in a positive type of progression.

    Good Luck.
     
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  8. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Errrhhh what happens when there are 10 single Banks??
     
  9. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    So, let it be. You know that's rare and further more the whale that I was referring to usually bets from 1-5 units of 25k. During those sessions, he bets the minimum 25k. Those shoes with consecutive 2nd Banks are the most profitable ones. The marathon session and big bankroll helps.
     
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    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Far from a rare event, and the bet amount is irrelevant.
     
  11. gizmotron

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    Very very good deductions there. You do get it. He is paying big on banker and either not betting during a player dominant shoe or betting less. If you add betting less during a choppy shoe then you can round out the technique. He is playing the bigger picture. He is reading the randomness of the shoes and acting on it. He could also see the player dominate shoes and bet big on that and small on the choppy parts. It all comes down to your recognition skills. Let's say that in 50+ hands per shoe you can see one, two, or three primary features of dominance. This may break up into 20 hands versus 30 hands for an example. You can big bet on the strong side when you see it. If you can't see the dominance then don't bet big. If you are patient enough then the dominance will come to you. Even perfect long stretches of perfect chop are a kind of shorter lived dominance.

    You can either see coin flip games like this or you can't. 25 million served up on a platter. Wow.
     
  12. Craps

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    Got to take the pros and the cons. IMO by not betting against any P is HUGE. By almost maximizing on all B runs is also HUGE.
     
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