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Roulette Luck

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Jan 1, 2017.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Active Member Founding Member

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    I've had a problem since day 1 - (that was somewhere in 1980 I think).
    The work "Luck".
    It appears everywhere - working on roulette constantly I see/hear/read it many times per day.
    There is a major problem here, and that is that "Luck" isn't a really "thing".
    It's a word that is used to throw into a sentence to "explain" something - when in reality it doesn't.
    There are perfectly good - legitimate explanations for why things happen.
    Perhaps people who don't understand probability simply use it - or plug it into a sentence to explain
    what they don't understand. (and this has always bugged me).
    There are lots of words like "Luck" that aren't real things - that people use everyday to explain things.
    My pet peeve though is this word.
    If a person goes into a casino and wins, they are "lucky".
    It people play their "lucky" numbers in the Lotto and win - it was the "lucky numbers" that won.
    If any good fortune comes to someone out of nowhere, it is lucky - bad things happening... "Well, he was unlucky"
    I like to put Luck into the same category as religion (prayer, faith) and some emotions that are described nicely but don't exist as a "thing". (I'm a realist by the way).

    Wikipedia has a 1/2 decent page on it - explaining it's origin and use and meanings, etc.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luck

    I would like to drill into people's heads - that "Luck" happening or not happening is not relevant in any way, shape or form when explaining why something happened.
    ie.. "TurboGenius won due to luck" or Grandpa got hit by lightning 2 times due to "bad luck".
    Anyone who doesn't agree is free to plug the word "luck" into any calculation where it would
    prove to have a value of some kind.

    2+2=4
    You will never see "If you're lucky - 2+2=4"
    or
    Luck + 2 = 4
    or even
    Luck+4x=13 ?? Laughs
    "Luck" isn't a thing. It can't be used to explain why system "A" won or lost - or player "B" won or lost.
    The house never once declares "luck" in it's profits over players who come in to gamble... because there's no such thing. There is only math. It is a math game.
    Everything else in life is probability, not luck.
    Thanks for reading my rant - it's always bothered me, always will - and people will continue to say "Good luck" without even understanding that it means nothing at all.

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  2. mr j

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    Yep, a few of my buddies tell me....if I did well at the casino, it was due to good luck. If I got my ass kicked at the casino, no biggie, thats what is suppose to happen. I'm screwed either way when it comes to public opinion regarding playing roulette. I get ZERO credit after doing well so I keep my results to myself. If I get asked....."not too bad" is my STANDARD answer.

    Ken
     
  3. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Active Member Founding Member

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  4. RouletteGhost

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    Turbo

    This is literally one of the best, if not the best post ever on any gambling forum I've ever seen

    I'm in AC for the night. Gambling recreationally at Harrahs if anyone's in town
     
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  5. RouletteGhost

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    Question. Does standard in full CAPS have a different definition then lower case?
     
  6. TurboMoron

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    Luck = variance, and variance isn't meaningless.

    I find "random" to be more interesting, and it's closely related to "luck" (variance). What does "random" mean to you?
    My thesaurus gives this definition:

    I don't find this very helpful because it defines random in terms of "chance". But what does "chance" mean? Luck??

    Some system players recommend that you learn to "read" random, LOL. But that's an oxymoron. If random means "unpredictable" then you're attempting to learn how to predict the unpredictable, which is absurd.

    A better definition of random is "that for which the cause is unknown". In the context of roulette outcomes, which are said to be random, it means you don't have any understanding or knowledge of WHY the ball falls into one pocket rather than another. To find the causes (and therefore eliminate or at least reduce the random element of the game) you need to look at the physics, the laws of mechanics which determine where the ball will fall. That's not easy, but it can be done (at least in theory).

    On the other hand, since system players don't look at the physics (the causes), they will never reduce the randomness. They're just relying on correlations and patterns, and correlation is not causation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation (look at the examples of illogically inferring causation from correlation).
     
  7. TurboGenius

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    When anyone asks about random - I tell them to begin here :
    (and also - for the record... Roulette is not random. It is certainly close though)




     
  8. Rona

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    I enjoy TG posts immensely, but saying roulette is not random or not a lucky game is absurd.
    Even if the pocket of number 15 was double the width of the others, there is no certainty that in 1000 spins nr. 15 would appear double the times the other numbers would appear. That is called uncertainty, randomness, luck, variance, whatever... and it certainly exists.
     
  9. TurboGenius

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    Roulette is not random.
    The game itself relies on the dealer (a human being making choices that influence the outcome),
    A physical wheel, ball / mechanism that are all subject to predictable results.
    So no - roulette is not random (in the true definition of random) but it's close.
    For the record - a pocket being twice the size of the others will result in more appearances of that number.
    "Certainty" ? no.. But not random.
    Once a device is proven not to produce random results - then a prediction is possible.
    System players focus on this while AP (wheel bias and DS) focus on the device and the human interaction which can also be predictable.
     
  10. Bombus

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    When considering luck, I always remember an interview with the world's no:1 golfer at the time.

    He was asked if when he hits a hole in one is it due to skill or luck?

    His answer was that he had practised golf from a very young age every day for more than 6 hours a day all his life, so when he hits a hole in one it's exactly what he's been trained to do and exactly what he is aiming to do.

    He claimed ownership of his rare events rather than give them away to luck.
     
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  11. Spider

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    Jerry Barber is quoted as saying " the harder I practice the luckier I get". This is a great statement.
     
  12. Rona

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    He is not still the no1 - where did all that training go? ;-)
     

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