Roulette Math can beat a math game - and everyone can agree :)

The house edge...
I'll use my AC 00 table.
There are 38 numbers, the house pays 35 to 1
(the difference between the odds of winning and the payout is the house "edge")
So playing 1 unit on 1 number for 38 spins - you can expect to lose 2 units on average.
Simple.
The casino doesn't care what happens while "you", the player sits and plays your spins.
That's because they make their profit "overall" - the totals from every player from every table, every day, every month.. will end with them getting their 'edge'. 5.26% of the overall bets made in total.
If you walk out with $1,000.00 or 20 people do - overall, in the end - they will have their 5.26%.
(this is why there are casinos in the first place lol)

So why does it work for them ?
How can a player walk out in profit ?

What if you could predict just 2 numbers and get it right ?
you bet on #1 and it hits, then you bet on #2 and it hits 20 spins later, etc..
You would end after 38 spins at +34 units instead of -2.
Now - you could bet 1 number for 38 spins for 17 cycles of 38 spins and still break even,
as long as you could get 1 number that shows up each time.
But you can't predict future spins ! ?
Why not ?
Each spin is independent from the last ? But random produces patterns that can clearly be seen.

Can the same number show 38 times in a row in a cycle or 38 spins ?
Can each and every number (38) show up during a cycle of 38 spins ?
Neither of these can happen (the math is astounding).
If the same number can't repeat 38 times, and 38 different numbers can't show up in 38 spins....
the player DOES have a chance to walk out in profit each and every time.
(and the casino will still end it's overall total at it's edge of 5.26% regardless of what you walk out with.)
The casino makes what they make because of long term - and because it can combine the results from all players... Each individual player isn't important, they can combine all the data and there is the edge.
And... in the long term...the math works out and they have their profit.
They pay less out than the odds of winning.
It could be the perfect system, but it isn't.
(end part 1)

 

Turbo,

Can you provide us with an example of how random can predict random?


The same number can theoretically hit 38 times in a row, however, there are a bazillion more ways for it not to hit 38 times in a row.
Each number can show up in a cycle of 38 spins, however, there are a gazillion more ways for each number not to show up in a series of 38 spins. (I believe that this is what you're saying.)

I'm not sure as to why you think math can beat a random game.
I will watch for part two.

-Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone.

 

Math can beat the game with unlimited chips, unlimited table limits and a simple martingale too but practically it is useless to think of. Let us see how this system compiler helps with math and his skills to predict future seeing patterns.

 

I'll continue this tomorrow - but yes, it has to do with picking numbers that have the potential to show, and trying to avoid the numbers that won't appear. It's not magic, it's math and can be explained. More to come.

 

I always chuckle when I read some expert say 'ignore all patterns you see in roulette'. It's not the patterns themselves, it's how you use the patterns. Just because they don't really exist (our minds invent them), doesn't mean they don't repeat and can't be used. The pattern fallacy is itself a fallacy, like most fallacies concerning the random in roulette.

 

Of course you can USE patterns, but do they give any advantage? NO, because each pattern is as likely as any other, and you never know how long one will continue. You might as well say, "I will jump off this cliff and USE an umbrella to help weaken the gravitational pull on me". That doesn't mean you won't end up dead when you hit the ground.

And I'd like to know what the other fallacies are which you think are themselves fallacies.

 

every player s worst enemy call variance, no house edge, , nothing but variance , but there are some ways to achieve a desirability result , iam not afraid to say that i ve find the solution , finally if you dont know who is your enemy how can you beat him? you must be ready for every possible reaction of the wheel , and then you ll see that something seemed impossible , now became more easy than ever ! just think simple......

 

The enemy isn't variance, it's the house edge. All you have to do to defeat variance is play more spins, but the more spins you play, the more vulnerable you are to the house edge. As it says in the Wikipedia article on gambling mathematics:

As the number of rounds increases, eventually, the expected loss will exceed the standard deviation, many times over. From the formula, we can see the standard deviation is proportional to the square root of the number of rounds played, while the expected loss is proportional to the number of rounds played. As the number of rounds increases, the expected loss increases at a much faster rate. This is why it is practically impossible for a gambler to win in the long term (if they don't have an edge). It is the high ratio of short-term standard deviation to expected loss that fools gamblers into thinking that they can win.

petespin, you may think you've found the solution, but there really isn't one.

 

I wish people would stop speaking for everyone. What you mean is, YOU don't know how to use them. Don't assume that nobody can just because you can't.

 

Again, just because YOU haven't found one, don't think your inability applies to everyone. It's a very limited way of thinking.

 

gentlemen, your personal opinions and statements it doesnt mean that are correct, and i do find the solution fotr that .

 

A very limited way of thinking? It's not a question of ability, but objective fact - it's YOUR way of thinking which is limited. Still getting a 72% win rate on guessing the even chances, Spike? LOL.

 

Of course you have. And now you're selling it, or rather, scamming it.

http://rouletteforum.roulette30.com/index.php/topic,500.0.html

 

Turbo, I don't see how combining all the data gives the casino an edge and yet an individual player can reverse that edge. The edge is in favor of the casino on every spin, just as it's against the player on every spin. There's no difference, in terms of results, from one player playing 1000 spins and 1000 players playing one spin.

But still, looking forward to your continuation of this topic.

 

I'm not spike.

 

True. You must have a bet selection better than the casinos edge, it's that simple. They are locked into their edge, you are not. Make your own edge.

 

The house has it's edge as long as random can't be predicted and it acts exactly as it's supposed to. And long term they have their edge, but certainly not in the short term - or based on individual players. As a whole over a long period of time they have their edge.

 

I just assumed you were Don Johnson as your avatar picture states.
I need to stop assuming lol

 

If you can predict more outcomes correctly than you lose, the casino no longer has the edge, you do.

 

Don Johnson wishes he were me..