TurboGenius More on 6-streets / repeaters

@TurboGenius I would really would like to know what the progression you used is. You said +1 -1 so I assume it is 1 unit extra when you loose and minus 1 unit when you win? If you tell me the exact rules of the progression I will program it and will show you it WILL get out of CONTROL.

Why? Because I already told you that you're way of betting is 1:37, and it's not better than betting random, I have calculated all 3 variations.

So for example. L (18) W (12) W (6)

More wins than loses. -18 (up one unit) -2 x 12 = -24 plus 12 units for the win = -12 (down one unit) -1 x 6 = -6 plus 6 units for the win = 0. Total = -30 units. Did the more wins to loses gave us a edge???

@TurboGenius

If you would be so kind enough to do your test again and then please add the SPIN COUNT after the W's and L's and I'll show you the real math.

P.S.

Again not trolling here.

 

This isn't picking streets "randomly". You are playing against what has happened.
If I said there was a Black/Red system and you play the last to appear and showed it working (for example)
and you said "Well, I picked mine randomly - I played the opposite of what just appeared" - that isn't "randomly" picking
Black or Red. You are just picking the opposite, not "random" at all.

Of course.

Again, it's impossible for a progression to go out of control if you are clearly winning more times (2x actually) than losing.
+1 after a loss and -1 after a win can't go out of control. It "could" if you weren't winning 2/3 of the time - but this
wins 2/3 of the time. The progression has no choice but to return to 1 (or 0).
Think of it this way - you play dozen 1 and dozen 2. When one of them appears you decrease 1 unit.
When 3rd appears you increase 1 unit. How could this go "out of control" ? It can't. As spins go on and
you win 2/3 of the time, the bet lowers automatically - now there's no advantage in playing doz 1 and doz 2 over
doz 3 so this would never work and your balance would decrease, even given the 2/3 win rate.
You could however prove that if Doz 1 appeared and then Doz 2 appeared - and your playing them both - the next
spin you will win 2/3 of the time because you are covering 2/3 of the table.

I've demonstrated clearly how covering no more than 50% of the locations results in wins over 60% of the time,
and anyone who tests this would see the same.

 

Correct,

 

I used the following rule. A repeater in Street 1 according to your rules you play this street. I programmed excel to dismiss street 1 and pick one from the 11 remaining. Is this random? I guess not but the STATISTICS were exactly the same as your method. HOW?

2nd test. I picked 6 streets (RANDOMLY) from the very beginning. (So there was no collection of data before to pick or to play the opposite) The STATISTICS were exactly the same as your method. HOW?

Your method (when you calculate the L spins towards the W spins) is 1:37 mathematically. So no edge, YES you have more W than L but combined together its 1:37 is this so hard to understand?

 

Thanks for sharing the info.

There is just one issue, often you get a quick result on the first two dozens, but the remaining dozen sleeps, wiping out any profit you have accumulated, or, if you’re already behind, it will increase the losses.

In the case of one dozen remaining, I have been allowing three spins for a hit. If the hit doesn’t happen, then I record a loss. Is this the correct approach?

Cheers

 

No I'm afraid not, when you are "cutting" of spins because of a "hit" did not occur the overal hit rate always comes back to 1:37. I tried these things myself in about 100 different variations.

Example let's say you play a number for 4 spins if no hit you record a loss. Now you will add all these little cycles together say 100 times. On average you will get a hit every 37 spin cycle, so there is no advantage of not playing.

 

Again you're rules, you're progression, programmed it in excel. 5000 plays.



Doesnt look to good I'm afraid.

But you are right though max the progression went was 14 units, but as long as it's 1:37 you loose I wish I was wrong :-(

 

@TurboGenius

Another 5000 plays



To all others now suppose you started testing at the arrow, and you stopped at the crossing. (THIS CAN AND WILL HAPPEN) You think you have something workable and you tested manually spend hours on this test. And went to the casino... guess we know what happend next :-(

So this is why you have to test rigorously.

So turbo? What's the verdict on this one?

 

I appreciate the data Chips.

Thanks for sharing the data Chips. It's always good to see RX charts. I haven't given up on this method because it's very easy to test.

There is still a couple of 'tweaks' I am playing around with.

Have you noticed, when you start playing, you often get a hit straight away (+11). This happens fairly frequently and when it does, I have found it's best to stop, record the win, and start again from the top. How often do you get a win with the first spin, only to have the profit whittle away to nothing? Occasionally you will grow the balance. But perhaps, it's best to play it safe and take the profit.

Progression - When playing, I use the same unit value for the entire session. If I have a loss, then I add one unit (+1) for the next session. Again, it works OK, but could it be improved?

When playing the way described above, I generally finish in front, but I still have the occasional session when I fall into the hole and can't get out.

This is why I'm still testing on RS.

 

Lucky for you I tested this a well a while back. Stop at the first hit. But like I explained above there will be sessions when it doesnt happen and those sessions combined when the sessions it does = 1:37. It doesnt matter how you cut it up slice it in halve or glue it together it is always 1:37 and even with a progression it will kill you in the end. Unless you have unlimited bankroll resets of course

One of my last tests for example I would like to find out how many 2's there were in total before the first 3 came, and how many 3's there were before the first 4 came etc etc. Combined the data and what did I get in the end, right 1:37 so then I wondered if the first 3 came and there were for example 6 candidates that were on 2, and I knew betting them all will lead to 1:37 what if picked at random one of those candidates. Combined the data results were 1:37. Then I wondered the first one out (of nr2) is usually the first one on (nr3) So I only picked that candidate. Results 1:37.

I did more than a 1000 tests (no kidding) in all those years, It always is 1:37. Like I said above turbo says betting his way is BETTER than random, and I think I clearly showed by now it DOESN'T. You can use this info or not, thats up to you. But Turbo is wrong with his 6 street repeater strategy. If you want to waste more time on it, be my guest

 

Simply look at how play Dr.Sir Anyone. His hit rate is 1:30-1:25. And that is stable, stable is from the word - always .

I know one Chinese guy with a similar rate even on not perfect wheel, this is something similar to on every wheel he can have something this kind.

Your aim must be to change hit rate in some way and after - to think , how to use what you have .

When hit rate is 1:30 or higher - nothing needs to think - only how to bet more money... that is only question

 

Cause he is using wheel bias. Good luck with that, I would like to bet from my own home. With a normal distribution of numbers it is always 1:37

 

Who what like I like 1:25 You like 1:37 ... everyone chooses what is for him better
But you play in normal ( not online ) casinos? Your country is interesting to me because that Chinese guy which now is player now and have near to 1:25 hit rate was here dealer...

From own home you not will win much . I also play from home but with partner in real casino...

 

@Chips @TurboGenius

Hello.
I will quote from memory.

"Bet on 1-2 numbers."

"By using aggressive progression we can win."

do you remember
1-5-25
1-3-9
1-2-4-8 mild

In the method shown, I do not see these two things.

I am of the opinion that the shown method is NOT profitable.

Other things we need to see in this game play.

 

I appreciate you sharing all the info Chips. Plenty there to learn from.

I'm trying to balance what you have found with what Turbo says.... Is there something we have missed?

I will be coming back to this because it's so easy to test.

 

In this thread there is nothing we missed the rules were very clear, and turbo said it was better than betting random which it clearly isnt. Why is @TurboGenius not responding?

In all the other threads (horse race analogy and others) I and others have tested those ideas extensively. They were ALL not better than random, I programmed them all, to see if the statistics could be manipulated. You see if it's 1:37 but you get different statistics maybe there lies an option there to benefit from. But alas no, they were spot on the same.

Now again I really licked turbos ideas, again I thought they were smart. But if the data show time after time again that all his ideas/strategies are simply wrong then I personally take his main strategy with a few grains of salt.

Also I have said if you have unlimited bankroll resets, and these bankrolls grow larger and larger when you play more. (I think it goes to 150.000 max?) Then yes you can wind up on positive trend sometimes, and these trend can last a long time, and especially when you are using an very aggressive progression you can have massive winnings.

But have you then won by beating the mats? Or were you just lucky?

In real life we dont have bankroll resets, in real life we have only 1 bankroll

 

Thought i would give it a real live wheel test today. These are my results.

WWL
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WWW
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WWW
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WWL +78 (107 SPINS PLAYED)
WWW
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LWL
WLL
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WLW +102 (261 SPINS PLAYED)

live eurowheel holland casino Nijmegen, The Netherlands.
20-08-2020 13:36am - 19:11pm 5.4 hours including small breaks.
€102 taken home. (no progression was used, all flat)
very easy to play, no need for pen and paper.
easy stop and go points (break, toilet etc)
not very tracable for pitbosses.
not even need for a progression !
smal bank required. say €500-1000.
lowest point was €3.
tomorrow live test 2.

 

Congrats on the +102 @ 5.4hrs. I think you will find over a longer period more spins this like other systems will curve away from your expectations. Please do prove me wrong however. I did test this myself over many hundreds of spins and the results didn't go positive unfortunately. If I'm wrong about this I would expect TG himself to show me the error in my testing.

This is small?

 

This is normal standard bank to bring along when your basebet is €1

 

Day #2

13 1U ON S5
6 1U ON S1-S5
4 1U ON S1-S2-S5
4 W +6 RESET
34 1U ON S12
6 1U ON S6-S12
7 W +15 RESET
36 1U ON S12
18 1U ON S6-S12
15 1U ON S5-S6-S12
6 1U ON S2-S5-S6-S12
9 1U ON S2-S3-S5-S6-S12
22 L 1U ON S2-S3-S12 / 2U ON S8
13 1U ON S2-S3-S12 / 2U ON S5-S8
22 W 1U ON S2-S3-S8-S12
29 1U ON S2-S3-S8-S10-S12
13 1U ON S2-S3-S5-S8-S10-S12
13 W 1U ON S2-S3-S5-S10-S12
13 W +16 RESET
34 1U ON S12
28 1U ON S10-S12
3 1U ON S1-S10-S12
22 1U ON S1-S8-S10-S12
36 W +18 RESET
16 1U ON S6
30 1U ON S6-S10
18 W +27 RESET
8 1U ON S3
10 1U ON S3-S4
20 1U ON S3-S4-S7
11 W +33 RESET
19 1U ON S7
18 1U ON S6-S7
10 1U ON S4-S6-S7
11 W +39 RESET
8 1U ON S3
21 1U ON S3-S7
4 1U ON S2-S3-S7
16 1U ON S2-S3-S6-S7
31 1U ON S2-S3-S6-S7-S11
17 W 1U ON S2-S3-S6-S11
2 L 1U ON S6-S11 / 2U ON S1
16 W +40 RESET
16 1U ON S6
4 1U ON S2-S6
14 1U ON S2-S5-S6
1 1U ON S1-S2-S5-S6
0 SAME
8 L 1U ON S5-S6 / 2U ON S3
8 W +46 RESET
18 1U ON S6
5 1U ON S2-S6
35 1U ON S2-S6-S12
5 W +52 RESET
3 1U ON S1
26 1U ON S1-S9
16 1U ON S1-S6-S9
32 1U ON S1-S6-S9-S11
35 L 1U ON S1-S6 / 2U ON S12
18 W SAME
14 1U O S1-S5-S6 / 2U ON S12
17 W +53 RESET
35 1U ON S12
36 W +64 RESET
21 1U ON S7
36 1U ON S7-S12
21 W +73 RESET
18 1U ON S6
27 1U ON S6-S9
20 1U ON S6-S7-S9
10 1U ON S4-S6-S7-S9
31 1U ON S4-S6-S7-S9-S11
28 L 1U ON S4-S6-S7 / 2U ON S10
9 1U ON S3-S4-S6-S7 / 2U ON S10
12 W 1U ON S6-S7 / 2U ON S10
27 1U ON S6-S7 / 2U ON S9-S10
3 1U ON S1-S6-S7 / 2U ON S9-S10
14 L 1U ON S1 / 2U ON S5-S9-S10
18 1U ON S1 / 2U ON S5-S6-S9-S10
29 W 1U ON S1-S10 / 2U S5-S6
0 SAME
18 W 1U ON S1-S6-S10
32 1U ON S1-S6-S10-S11
36 L 1U ON S1-S6 / 2U ON S12
4 1U ON S1-S2-S6 / 2U ON S12
1 W 1U ON S6 / 2U ON S12
30 1U ON S6 / 2U ON S10-S12
30 W +74 RESET - STOP

88 SPINS PLAYED
€500 BANK
€74 PROFIT.
Holland Casino - Nijmegen, The Netherlands.
15:13pm - 16:54pm
a little over 1,5 hours played with BR break.
started not to feel very good, so i quit early.
still not ok, but i wanted to share my second day with you.
cheers.