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Roulette More on that so called Fallacy.

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Jan 4, 2019.

  1. Benas

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    So red - has, but black not has? Who said that to you? :) You think that with every hit pockets become more and more narrow?
    If Yes then you think logical, but stupid, because nothing changes and black and red have the same chance to hit...
     
  2. Nathan Detroit

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    Repeating pattern of an Even chance is an indication that a change might be I imminent.Emphasis is on " might be"



    ND
     
  3. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    The change has occurred when Red appeared.
    ND
     
  4. NASty

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    So what kind of Prog are usin? Would play it with a +1 after a losing cycle?
     
  5. Bago

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    Nope, at least Fibonacci or Martingale Agressive Style. When you are facing a rude opponent, you can't be weak :D
     
  6. Sharptracker

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    If you say something is due with the way numbers come out, you mean at the same time that the wheel has a memory... Does it? And we can hear winners when they win but once they've been sheared, no more words... They just run away. tail between legs...
     
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  7. Mako

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    You're right davey, but at the same time though I feel the main thought from Turbo/Eddy is on point. If something is at say -3 STD then obviously it's not going to stay there. It will catch up to 0 and quite likely go positive STD over time...the only question is how many spins is it going to take to do that (how many betting spins) and thus how can you handle the MM to survive over that span until profit.

    They're saying it happens quickly and consistently, while Caleb/Bago are saying it doesn't necessarily happen at all...and if it does, it was just a random occurrence.

    I guess all you'd have to do to test it is throw a bunch of downloaded Spielbank spins into RX (consecutive spins from single tables, would have to manually do it, don't let RX do it for you), run them until you see any area get to a -3 or higher STD, then continue spinning while watching that bet and log how long it takes to get back to 0 STD.

    Worth a shot.
     
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  8. jekhb1976

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    The awnswer is simple mako.

    YOU WILL PROFIT LONG BEFORE THAT WHEN USING THE RIGHT M&MM!
    (Math & Money Management)
    go test a couple of let's say 500 spins.
    you will get thw same results over and over again.
    It won't take 460 spins (8hrs casino play time) yo achive this.
    Good luck.

    J.E.
     
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  9. NASty

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    And what is the right mm? :)
     
  10. Spider

    Spider Active Member Founding Member

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    Would you care to answer my private message Jekhb?
     
  11. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Guys,

    Catching back up to expectation, with no standard deviation (0) is NOT enough. Regarding standard deviation and randomness. In roulette the standard deviation for a number could remain zero (no standard deviation), but as the spin sample grows larger and larger, the number of hits required to break even still grows larger and larger. I know this has many people confused because they don't comprehend what standard deviations are or how they're actually calculated.(See the example below.)

    38 spins... a random number is 2 units behind break even. Random. No standard dev. 0.
    380 spins... a random number is 20 units behind break even. Random. No standard dev. 0.
    3800 spins... a random number is 200 units behind break even. Random. No standard dev. 0.
    38000 spins... a random number is 2000 units behind break even. Random. No standard dev. 0.
    380000 spins... a random number is 20000 units behind break even. Random. No standard dev. 0.
    3800000 spins... a random number is 200000 units behind break even. Random. No standard dev. 0.

    This means, the longer that you play the random game, the farther you will drift away from break even, even if there is no standard deviation for a number.

    Furthermore, why would waiting for a number to drop three standard deviation below normal make it more likely to hit? After all the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, right?!

    The naive belief that numbers are due to catch back up after sleeping is a very old and tired idea. It's part of the gambler's fallacy. It's a dead end!
     
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  12. jekhb1976

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    i wonder why the opposite is happening all the time, mmm
     
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    i will explain again,

    when a number is at a negative std, it need and will correct itself over time.
    it will return to it's average point, before drifting away again.
    you will never see a number with -3 got to -4 -5 -6 -7 -8 drifting further and further way from it's average point. it just can't. It will correct itself.
    if you say i'm wrong, prove it! if you can, i rest my case.
    j.e.
     
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  14. jekhb1976

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    that is something i won't help you with.
    but i'm sure with a little effort, you will find out for yourself.
     
  15. jekhb1976

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    Guys, it's all about random.
    you will see numbers not hitting in 37 spins.
    you will see numbers hit once in 37 spins.
    you will see numbers hit more in then once in 37 spins.

    the first two won't happen over and over and over again, spot number 3 will also happen.

    RANDOM !!!!
     
  16. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    jekhb1976,

    Tell us about how much you've won over the past year.
     
  17. jekhb1976

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    why is that so important to you?
    i'm not here to talk about my financial earnings, i'm here to talk about how you, we all can beat random and how you can profit nicely by doin' so.
    Turbo and I gave you all the basics, the MM part you have to figure out for yourself. But again, thay an't hard once to put some effort in it.
     
  18. Bago

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    It's funny how the supposed HolyGrail morphed. It was supposed to be based on chasing hot numbers with an aggressive progression. Now it is all about chasing a sleeping number that has to wake up with a mystical progression.

    Mako is pointing out a system that has been tested 15 years ago on the GamblersGlen forum and guess who is the author? TURBO himself. At this time also he was like Elvis claiming it cannot be defeated, playing the lowest STD number with a progression (Mean - Hits). Like all systems it was ok in the short run until I found a session where number Zero never gave at any moment a +1 unit profit. Turbo analyzed the session and accused me of tampering it (deleting some zeros in the file) because the RX session showed a failed bias wheel test, indeed even an RNG can reproduce a session that could be seen on a real biased wheel whereas we are spinning a complete random wheel.

    So Elvis, I repeat AGAIN, if you are claiming here that you discovered what has never been discovered since the 17th century, by the most genius mathematicians/statisticians/programmers on Earth, then you OPEN A REAL ACCOUNT AT CELTIC CASINO OR ANOTHER ONE AND SHOW US HOW YOU PROFIT 10% EACH DAY WITH IT, AT THE END OF THIS YEAR YOU WILL BE A MULTI TRILLIONNAIRE AND THE MOST RICHEST MAN ON THIS PLANET!.
     
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    I think that all these "winners" and "HG discovers" have almost no knowledge in mathematics. They hate these, who that knowledge have and especially create such discussions in forums, but they never in such talks use any formulas any improvements...
    All what they do in forums is simply result of envy to bigger knowledge and that is why they super like a phrase that they do not need to anybody something prove or explain... :)
     
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    I only read this cuz of it was highlighted STD and where I come from STD means sexually transmitted diseases that we're kind of drum in by our great parents, to steer clear of and be real careful of.

    on the other hand, why is it I always see everybody with some kind of system they talked about hot something hot hands hot cards hot numbers and similar things, they're just always lose their money and I mean always like every single time they play and then they're grinding their way back trying to get their buy in money back that's it, ithat's all I see.

    That's a real life experience. Thank you have a good day!!!!
     

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