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Roulette More on that so called Fallacy.

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Jan 4, 2019.

  1. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    All that talk sounds like how to catch a fart with a fish net .
     
  2. Benas

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    But what you described is a very rare scenario - you understand why? Say scenario is other - Bago simply knows which number is preferably to hit accordingly something. He betted different number in these 192 spins - no matter what was his result, but as you can expect in192 spins to be minus 192 is the very rare case especially if you do predictions and collect data:).In 192 spin fall first-time number 32 and Turbo started to bet on it, but really number 32 is defected ( for example all other are simply wider ) and he not catch number 32 in next 200 spins and lost all his money.
    Bago in that time accordingly collected data betted much better and finished on 0 :) .Why can't be such secenario? It is much more likely if the number is defected:)
     
  3. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Turbo,

    1. Why did you wait to start playing? After all, didn't you tell us that you don't use past spins?
    2. You like to say that you rely on random to win, does that mean that you can just move back and forth between wheels as you play? Wouldn't that make the game even more random?
    3. Why does waiting for a number to hit change the odds? After all doesn't the number of pockets on the wheel determine the probability of winning?

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    Turbo's system is a failure.
     
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  4. jbs

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    We all know that it doesn't, but these silly systems/method players will NEVER learn. To them, they think these games are like blackjack where the past DOES affect the future.

    So for the last GD time, what happened in the past DOES NOT AFFECT FUTURE SPINS NOR CAN YOU PREDICT THE OUTCOME. If 32 hasn't shown up in 528 spins, it's no more likely now than it was at the beginning of time...CASE CLOSED!
     
  5. stringbeanpc

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    TurboGenius Good example, thanks for sharing.

    In my opinion/testing the same idea applies to "groups" of numbers.

    Example dozens(3), columns(3), streets(12), lines(6), or however anyone chooses to create a group of numbers
     
  6. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Stringbeanpc,

    Does the number of pockets on the wheel determine the probability of a number winning?
     
  7. stringbeanpc

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    Sir Anyone, I'm not sure, you tell me
    single 0 37 pockets = 1/37
    double 0 38 pockets = 1/38

    any single dozen or column = 12 numbers therefore 12/37 or 12/38
     

  8. John Blerg

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    someone emails me off another forum and says something like, "reading some of these mathematical takeover and reinventions at the casino will most likely bankrupt the casino and I watch the added postings with an erection, like watching the devil and miss jones for the very first time around puberty age".......................................

    fucking right on bro, could not have said it any better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Stringbeanpc,

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    Then why should Turbo's/jekhb1976's system work?
     
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  10. Bago

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    Turbo, the Martingale is the HolyGrail also, you want proof?.

    Turbo sits at the table and begins playing on Red. The following results are: B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B Turbo blew up his entire bankroll!.
    Smart Bago starts betting on Red because it is due to hit since Turbo encountered an event that had a 0,074% of happening, Turbo has currently a 1 in 1327 hit rate on this even chance (Red) whereas it should be hitting on average: 1 in 2.06 ! So Red must hit like crazy in the future spins to return to the mean!!!

    And the Magic happens! 11th spin: RED 12th spin: RED 13th spin: RED ! I AM RICH!.

    This messageboard is seriously going downhill.
     
  11. jekhb1976

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    Guys,
    The only reason that we don't play a number that hasn't showed up yet, is because it can be in a long wintersleep.

    Once a number is showing up, it won't be doin' that.

    You can all test millions of spins, but i stand with my point.
    The point bein' that the results will always be the same.
    every number will return to it's average point instead of drifting further and further away, it's just math impossible.

    there is catch however......
    you can't know 100% sure when it reaches that point 0.
    So my advice, take it or leave it, is to stop once profit has been made.
    that's why i don't play the single straight in a bm casino.
    if i did, and my number would return to it's average point on spin 610 i be doomed.
    this won't happen very often, but i ran of some live spins in rx and had one session where it took the last unhit number up till spin 523 before it returned to average of 1:37.
    that's alot of time waiting on that roulette chair :)
    so i rather play lines or streets. same game, only less spins before i can go home.
    if you realy insist of playing this way on straights, then play with a min. of 10 unit so that whe you're first profit comes, you don't have to cary on to make a nice pay.
     
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  12. jekhb1976

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    sorry, last hit before the number returned to his average point was on spin 501 instead of spin 523.
    the # was #14.
    first hit came at spin 241.
    second hit came at spin 317. (76)
    third hit came at spin 392 (75) (75.5 av)
    fourth hit came at spin 409. (168) (56.0 av)
    fifth hit came at spin 451. (210) (52.5 av)
    sixth hit came at spin 458. (217) (43,4 av)
    seventh hit came at spin 471. (230) (38,3 av)
    eight hit came at spin 501. (260) (37,14 av)

    to all the naysayers on here, look how the number gets slowly but surely taken to it's average point again, instead of drifting away further and further as you all thought.
    but hey, i cam repeat it over and over again just like turbo, but nobody will listen.
     
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  13. Bago

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    You could at least pick a session like TG where your gambler's fallacy system wins, on your example it loses:

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  14. Nathan Detroit

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    Why listen to BS. After 14 pages we are sitting in it .



    ND


     

  15. jekhb1976

    jekhb1976 Well-Known Member

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    Funny bago,
    As it seems, calculations isn't you're strongest thing isn't it?

    My session did win and well too, and funny that i have a very different graph then you. well, i should have known. rx1.jpg
    240 units profit, ain't that bad :)
    Not one little problem regarding MM here.
    The only problem i said in a previous post is that the waiting time before a number will return to 1:37 can be too long for a BM visit, not that it would lose!
     
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  16. jekhb1976

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    Why do you read and comment then nathan if you think it's all bullshit?
    You don't have to follow you know!
     
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  17. Bago

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    Elvis, I have flat bet 1$ on your number that is supposed to have a better hit rate than 1/37 to allow it to return to the average after having slept too much (biggest Min Interval). Why on earth are you using a PROGRESSION then?.
     
  18. jekhb1976

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    Now there is you're problem bago. this way you will never win when a session drags along before a number hits his average point.
    Flatbet isn't the way.
    Sure it can be played like that, but i don't. And i'm right :)
     
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  19. Bago

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    Elvis we are progressing, you admit that it does not win flat bet and it is YOUR problem since it annihilate your affirmation and Turbo's affirmation that your picked location/number have to hit at a better rate than it's average to return to the mean and profit. You acknowledge you have found sessions (like the one you posted) where your picked number, despite returning to the mean, does not bring a profit since its real hit rate is 1/37 and you are paid 35/1, that's why it loses. Applying a progression on this number/location will allow you to make flat bet losing sessions into winning ones, but on those where it will take a long time to reach the mean, you will never recover and lose your house. That's a sure thing. Thanks for the fun and next time show us a system that has not been proven to be a loser 15 years ago.
     
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  20. jekhb1976

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    It's all about 'Math' Nothing more, nothing less!
    Bago,
    Because i know the hits will come faster and faster instead of slower and slower, i can use a progression and making sure by doin' so that i always end up winning. Now how is that possible?

    have a great evening,
    j.e.
     

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