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Baccarat Most you won flat betting?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Maxboost, Jan 16, 2021.

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  1. Maxboost

    Maxboost New Member

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    Hey everyone,

    Just a quick question as I am testing a new strategy.

    What is the most you have won flat betting?

    How many hands (estimate) did you play?
     
  2. Nathan Detroit

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    On forums are ONLY winners even if they lost their shirt and pants at the casino.
     
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  4. Maxboost

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    Can someone point me in the right direction? I was wondering what you can mostly lose/win after say 50 hands.
     
  5. walkingman

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    Always for Wait 4 players in a row then bet banker use flat bet.
     
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    Hi, U mentioned Wait 4 players in a row, bet banker, using flat bet, How many times we bet banker, after 4 players in a row,? If 5 6/7+ players Streak occurs in a row?
     
  7. walkingman

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    After a lose wait another 4 IAR Player then bet Bank with 1 unit
     
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  8. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    There are some Baccarat anti tend players around but never seen any posts of them.


    Try it yourself.It is only money you can lose.
     
  9. Maxboost

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    What is the most you won per session flat betting this strategy?
     
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    Good stuff. My spreadsheet skills suck, but I ran this through the 4500 shoes in my database anyway. I created a condition of at least 4 non-bankers in a row (haven't figured out a reasonable way to not figure in ties in streaks like that) AND made it a bit discriminating by watching for such a streak where the last hand contained at least one 'four' (I've read removing those improves banker odds ever so subtly). My results;
    Banker win: 3992
    Banker loss: 3763
    win rate: 51.48%
    Binomial Distribution: 92%ile
    Would love to see that last number over 95%, but, any time you find something that permits you to outrun the banker commissions, it seems like a play worth watching out for!
     
  11. walkingman

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    Why my post a system did not appear in the thread?
     
  12. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Oh my god

    I would think an equally good question is as follows
    How long is a piece of string ?
    Or
    How deep is balls deep?

    As you can see there is no definitive answer, hence no real replies to your thread. To you it must seem like an important question, read a few other threads here , get an education and you might realise how inane your current questions are. I’m sure with a bit of effort on your part you can learn something of value and cease embarrassing yourself with this thread.
    Once you have learnt the basics via doing some homework reading various threads this forum ,

    then you will start a much better thread

    You will find many to help you with your questions if they are worth replying to. Cheers
     
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  13. walkingman

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    OK Please delete my account I will not visit again this site I am a gambler not good in posting theory
     
  14. FRGCardinal

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    I'm confused.
     
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  15. Zhang Wei

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    Most I have won in a shoe flat betting is 10 units.

    I played 69 hands.

    According to my most recent 1000 shoes, the full range of win/loss unit movement is from -10 units to +10 units.
     
  16. Craps

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    Your question is the same as asking whether there are still Dinosaurs.
    The answer

    is they are all extinct.
    Not a single Baccarat player ever Flat Bet throughout it's entirety.
    Math works for the House towards the players in the long run BUT not necessarily the other way around.
    Deduction and Induction reasoning.
    The hold for the House for Baccarat is between roughly 15% to 25 %.
    This clearly tells us it's not the Math. It's the Human Factor. Theory don't mean shit. Practical part is King.
    Testing thousands of shoes is only for execution purpose.
     
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  17. Punkcity

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    baseless comment
    Maybe state that as far as you (craps) are aware YOU ( craps) hasn’t seen anyone flat bet only, consistently .
    I( punkcity) only flat bet and I know others that Only flat bet the Whole shoe. Cheers
     
  18. Craps

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    I get that. When everything is dandy and fine people will not deviate. I am not talking about one shoe or one session. I am talking about just Flat betting and winning in the long run. It is possible doing that but this type of approach is EXACTLY what the casinos wants everybody to do.
    The only 2 things the casino fears the most.
    Using winnings to hurt the casino.
    Hit & Run.
     
  19. Punkcity

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    Im not talking one shoe or session. I personally only flat bet and pre Covid-19 I play upwards of 20 000 hands per year at $500 per hand.
    I beg to differ with your comment re that’s what the casino want you to do flat bet. I have been spoken to by so many casino dealers, pit bosses and other players that flat betting don’t win. The casino staff and players encouraged myself and other flat bet players on a daily basis to either martingale or use some other progressive bet style a lar gamblers fallacy etc.
    The casino wants slots players mentality, progressive betters on table games come in lose your money but gee you had a great time.
    I do advocate short ish shoe sessions, I play the rng stadium and it’s infinity hands dealt in 20 seconds a deal, you call it hit and run I suppose, on the stadium you can play every hand as long as you have a bankroll and as long as you want to stay awake . That’s about 69200 dealt hands in a 24 hour day. Roughly 2 hands results in a minute.
    The casino doesn’t care and are not afraid of how many times you stop playing ( hit and run, take a break, profit taking call it whatever you feel completely happy with) , they know you will be back.
    Any drug dealer knows that.

    What they really fear is if you
    A) win a vast amount of cash in a very short period of time ( usually slot jackpots) , they pay all your expenses while you are at their casino THEN you leave and spend all their money at another casino AND YOU NEVER go back to their casino. Poetic. Happens.
    B) win a vast amount etc then SELF ban for the rest of your life, more poetry and has happened.( slots jackpots mostly)
    Mostly just gambler fallacy stuff, IMHO , people tell themselves and others all types of myths re casino fears etc. to justify all sorts of different scenarios that has happened to themselves of just re told hearsay. Usually it’s just a reason to impose a self preservation rule to limit one’s own losses but they have to blame someone other than themselves, Basically the casino doesn’t fear anyone ( sozz you loser zenking) the casino has more money than you do, the casino has more staff than you do, etc etc. On a worldwide scale the odd blip of a casino suffering a loss hardly worth the space on the interverse .
    Undoubtedly you craps are an experience player but it’s never to late to reevaluate some of your perceived notions re the casino industry and our functionality therein, you may be pleasantly surprised what it can mean to your bottom line aka profit.

    To be honest yes I would have to say that 99:9% ( imho) of betters are NOT flat betters and therefore I MUST AGREE with your first statement that I initially replied to.
    I just at the time felt the need to mention that it’s not a 100% factual statement and can be misleading to the inexperienced readers.
    There are many ways to succeed in this business if you apply yourself. Cheers
     
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  20. Maxboost

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    Holy shit, I’m new to this forum and it will probably be my last. A lot of people here is a condescending prick who thinks inside the box with their ridiculous positive and negative progression “systems”. It must be because of their heavy losses at the table.

    Adios I’m out
     

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