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Baccarat Never Understood The Game - Help

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by TEACH (AlSpath), Feb 10, 2015.

  1. TEACH (AlSpath)

    TEACH (AlSpath) Active Member Founding Member

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    I see them play this in James Bond movies and it looks simple, so can one or more of our members who have the in-depth knowledge to speak to my request, please explain as "simple" as you can for us novices, how the heck this game is played, and how the winner is determined?

    Thanks in advance for your guidance.
     
  2. Frank Kneeland

    Frank Kneeland Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    The game you see in the Bond movies is "chemin de fer" where players play against each other and can draw or stand based on their own strategy. The house takes a cut, like live poker. It's different from the American game.

    Basic rules: You're trying to get to 9 and going over wraps you around rather than busts you out like in Blackjack. Example 3+ 10 would = 3

    The game played in America has no hand decisions for the player and a strict set of rules for the dealer. Both "the player" and "the bank" are really "the house"... playing both hands. The way the rules are structured the bank wins very slightly more often than the player. If you bet on the player you get even money when you win. If you bet on the bank you'll pay a %5 commission when you win.

    Your only decision as a baccarat player is on which side to bet. There is also a tie bet. And some side bets in variants of the game.

    For a casino game it has a very low hold 1.2%, but for all intents and purposes it is not beatable and should be avoided, unless you're just looking for comps...
     
  3. Anna Loudon

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    What does a 1.2% hold mean?
     
  4. asymbacguy

    asymbacguy Active Member

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    It's the mean of 1.06 and 1.24 I guess.....
     
  5. Anna Loudon

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    Yes but the average of 1.06% and 1.24% is not 1.2%. There are 0.18% difference and half of that is 0.09%. Add 1.06% and 1.24% and you get 2.30% divided by 2 and the mean is 1.15%. The mean means average. The mean is 1.15%
     
  6. TEACH (AlSpath)

    TEACH (AlSpath) Active Member Founding Member

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    sticking to poker, lol

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    Previous guests were Cowboy Kenna James, Donna Blevins, Paul Otto, and Alan Schoonmaker. All those videos are located on my playlist on You Tube (free to view), I'd only ask you to subscribe (free), for all my efforts to provide the interviews, and over 150+ videos (How to Build a Bankroll at the Micro Limits).

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChvXWL5JVWqxwxRUJOobfdQ/playlists

    Please share and attend the live broadcasts on twitch.
     
  7. Martingale_Fanatic

    Martingale_Fanatic New Member

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    Baccarat: closest to 9 wins

    Choose between
    Banker, Player, or Tie

    Main bet is between banker or player
    If tie wins, and you only bet on banker or player, you get your money back- at least that's how it works at the casino I go to

    Its like betting heads or tails on a coin toss
    Heads=banker
    Tails= player
    If it lands standing up= tie

    How the cards work:
    Each side(banker and player) gets 2 or 3 cards each
    Add both sides up separately

    For ex.

    Banker:
    Card 1= 5
    Card 2=3

    Total =8

    Player:
    Card 1= 8
    Card 2=A's or 1

    Total =9

    ^Player wins in this scenario

    If, however, the cards equal the same(if banker equaled 8 and player equaled 8) that would be considered a TIE
     

  8. Creepy

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    nice explanations, Thanks but are the odds of a tie between the banker and the player so low like the coin landing upright? Haven't played baccarat but just learnt the rules in house parties
     
  9. Martingale_Fanatic

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    I don't know the exact #'s but from experience, I'd say about a 1 out of 30 chance
     
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  10. wishing for purple

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    its just like a toss coin matter. so is it beatable in the long run?
     
  11. Martingale_Fanatic

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    Long run with a lot of money. Shorter requires skill/luck. Multiplying your chance of winning is the best bet hence the martingale
     
  12. Creepy

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    definitely, no... you can't beat random stuff, you may minimize the risks but if it is more or less like a coin toss, it's UNBEATABLE!
     
  13. wishing for purple

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    i'm a little confused here, martingale said yes, but creepy said no... which is which?? banker or player? hahaha
     
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  14. Martingale_Fanatic

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    Long run with a whole lot of money yes
    The amount of money we have individually, nope haha
     

  15. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    You can beat the game in absolute sense if you have infinite money and unlimited table and willingness to lose all to earn just 1 unit with martingale, you indeed can. Rationally playing the stretches that can randomly come could make it impossible to win even with a billion chips.
     
  16. Creepy

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    As every other sweet learnt experience, it's better tried...ironically in this game both the player and banker are the house hahaha I think you have a better chance using the martingale on Roulette :d2:
     
  17. Rahul Agarwal

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    I am anew comer. I have money but I have no experience. Please help me to understand this game.
     
  18. albalaha

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    The game is all about billions of probabilities and variance that sucks up any money you can take to casino. Beware.
     
  19. Martingale_Fanatic

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    2 main sides.. player and banker (similar to heads vs tails)

    both sides get 3 cards each.

    for ex, if the player side gets a 3, 2, and 4 [add um up]
    player = 9
    and if
    banker gets a 5, 2 and 8 [add um up]
    banker = 5 (technically 15 but you only use the number to the right which is 5.. imagine the 1 is invincible)

    the side closest to 9 wins so in this scenario,
    Player=WINNER
     
  20. chole75

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    baccarat is very simple rule.
     

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