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Craps On-Axis Dice Toss Mythology ...

Discussion in 'Craps Forum' started by Harley, Jul 14, 2015.

  1. Harley

    Harley Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    Another Craps Consumer warning website in the making for your consideration at the following Link:

    http://heavyaxispowercraps.blogspot.com/

    This is for educational purposes only and we are not selling anything or promoting any services or products .... for more information, see the Links referenced in the right-side column

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  2. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    Very interesting.
    But not surprising. I always felt "buyer beware". Do your due diligence before handing over your cash.

    As a health professional, I would think his dice influencing seminars would not be recommended for people taking medication that causes hand tremors or for people with diseases that cause hand tremors(ie parkinsons).

    I am sure people are pre-screened and their payments are declined if they have these conditions.

    I am sure if an old timer showed up at his seminar for dice control, and his hands were shaking like a leaf, he would be turned away. Most likely pre-screened and turned away before he even took the time to arrive at the location

    After all "precision' is important.
     
  3. Tabletop

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    NEGATIVE! Parkinson's Individuals would NOT be turned away. Obviously You've Never seen Irishshitter's Toss. His hands shake like a Friggin Leaf. I recall a Toss Video of Irish that Heavy had on his Site. Heavy comically stated that Irish must have had too many cups of Coffee during the Filming. Personally I think Irish had too many cups of Coffee during HIS ENTIRE CAREER! His shooting is "For Shit", & I've NEVER EVER heard of another student praising his shooting prowess.

    I asked a board member that has played with Old shitter on several Occasions How Irish Shoots, & the Guy REALLY didn't want to answer the question. At least Heavy, Rock N roller & Others have turned in some Noteworthy Hands. Screening people for DI'ng classes is Commensurate to applying for a loan at a "Buy Here", "Pay Here" Used Car Lot......... EVERYONE is approved! LOL.
     
  4. LarryS

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    Hilariously funny, now I know its physically impossible to achieve the results that are offered as possible.
    maybe you should hope for an earthquake......or maybe have a vibrating table as well

    OH yeah, a "precision" toss of very light objects will not be affected by trembling hands.

    amazing

    like I said...buyer beware.

    other places where trembling hands will not affect results

    the playing of the kids game.... operation and jenga
    lasik surgery

    archery
    use of a laser pointer

    unbelievable ......what more do these DI folks expect us to believe.

    maybe people without arms can throw with their feet or spit them down the table from their mouth

    Maybe a woman without hands while using a vibrator can get results as well
    really.....what dopes will believe that trembling hands have no effect on precision

    we are talking about precision arent we???

    I agree..Parkinsons Individuals would not be turned away.....I DO believe that is absolutely true
     
  5. Tabletop

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    +1, Buddy!!
     
  6. superrick

    superrick Active Member Founding Member

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    At one of our local casinos, there was a father and daughter that would come in and play craps. The daughter always had good rolls. The father would always make the bets and never shoot. The daughter had “Down syndrome” and no idea of what she was doing, but she loved to roll the dice. When she made her point and the dealer paid dad she would jump for joy!

    She was a true random roller, she would pick up the dice and she would just sling them down the table. I loved to see the relationship the two of them had. Dad was trying to make her happy and in the process she was making them both a little money!

    These on axis DI schools sell nothing but BS, their students are just getting lucky when they get on a roll. They are just like the so-called random rollers. The only reason the casinos pay any attention to them is because of all of the fiction that has been written about the DI's! All of the slow motion videos that are now out there proves one thing and that is their dice do not stay on axis!

    Again if what they were selling worked they would have a few videos that would show the dice staying on axis. They have nothing at all, there are no videos that show the dice staying on axis! What all of the videos shows is the dice bouncing all over the place once they hit the tables will.

    The way they keep student coming is by kicking off anybody that wants to question them on the boards that they run! Also let's not forget all of the great fiction that they let get posted by their great fiction writer.

    There are random rollers beating these so-called DI's every day in the casinos, but their rolls never get posted on any craps boards.

    Today I was told of a 151 roll that happened at a casino that a random roller made. There was a guy there telling the dealers about that roll. So I made a phone call to the casino that they said it happened in and was told that on Saturday they had a 1 ½ hour roll there. You do the math, a 1 ½ roll does not come out to 151 rolls of the dice! The guy that was telling the story said the table was full and he won $28,000 on the roll.

    It just so happens that he was a local and was betting way over his head, so there was some truth to his story and the dealers said they heard about the roll. I see this kind of thing happening all of the time someone will say that was a fifty roll and it was only a 25 roll. No one is tracking the table and I correct them and tell them what the roll really was because I was tracking the table.

    Some of these stories get blown way out of proportion. By the time, the story goes through five or six guys you can end up with a roll that just didn't happen! Sure it was a good roll but it wasn't a 151 roll.
    I'll take a 1 ½ roll any day.
     
  7. LarryS

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    To me, its rather simple. We all go through long posts talking about the uselessness of DI...when all that is not needed. Anyone with common sense, can see its an impossibility. People suckered into this are the same people that get suckered into timeshares, pyramid schemes,beanie baby collections 3 card monty.
    you just have to open your eyes to the above and think it through, run the numbers, and you come out with a negative opinion.

    why are timeshares selling for pennies on the dollar
    why are beanie babies now virtually worthless
    why are the pyramid schemes selling insurance, cosmentics, vitamins worthless to 99 percent of people
    why do you always lose in the end in 3 card monty
    why cant you make a living with DI

    Because they are all flawed, because people dont do due diligence they dont ask questions, they dont look beyond the shiny advertisement and over-zealous claims.
    The general public that these endeavors target are too lazy to look beyond the claims and advertising.

    they are not doing due diligence, looking on gambling boards and getting opinions. They made up their minds the first time they see the claims. They want to believe.

    so the people that need superricks comments arent anywhere near these boards. He and others here are singing to the choir.
     

  8. superrick

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    It all boils down to one thing, these guys all want the magic bullet and there is none. But there are plenty of suckers out there to buy what ever they are selling that is nothing but BS!
     
  9. LarryS

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    I agree but I can go on a real estate investment board and break down why timeshares are a bad idea. But the poor suckers that buy them arent doing due diligence...they arent reading what i would write on that board.

    Same with pyramid schemes where you buy in to sell insurnace, vitamins, make-up door to door. Those folks arent reading the warnings online from people like you and me.

    There are suckers born every minute and I dont hang out in places where they reside.

    we end up singing to the choir

    there will always be suckers who believe the crap out there And there will always be jackals that prey on the suckers.

    Its kind of fun to poke the jackals with a stick for recreation purposes

    but it doesnt stop them from preying on the weak
     
  10. Tony Baloney

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    Quote from The Magnificent Seven:

    Village Boy 2: We're ashamed to live here. Our fathers are cowards.

    O'Reilly: Don't you ever say that again about your fathers, because they are not cowards. You think I am brave because I carry a gun; well, your fathers are much braver because they carry responsibility, for you, your brothers, your sisters, and your mothers. And this responsibility is like a big rock that weighs a ton. It bends and it twists them until finally it buries them under the ground. And there's nobody says they have to do this. They do it because they love you, and because they want to. I have never had this kind of courage. Running a farm, working like a mule every day with no guarantee anything will ever come of it. This is bravery. That's why I never even started anything like that... that's why I never will.

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    Calvera: If God didn't want them sheared, he would not have made them sheep.
     
  11. Mark V

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    I was told last weekend of a $23,000 that happened at Chinook Winds. This is an Indian Casino on the Oregon coast that has a bouncy 14' table. So called DI's don't play here because of the table conditions.

    If you play long enough, you will have a lucky day. Even if you play slots, if you play long enough you will hit a few jackpots that will make it all seem worth while. Sure, there is the stories of the grandmother who never gambled a day in her life and ends up with a world record roll, but more often is that a 23,000 win tends to cover the 23,000 loss the player has incurred over the years. The house still wins, cause they know they will get back that 23,000 over time.
     
  12. $nakeEye$

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    SO SuperRick -

    FOR THE RECORD -

    Do YOU Condone or Disapprove of Harley's antics regards the above post -

    I have heard gossip -

    BUT - I DO NEED - YOUR clarification regards THIS matter !

    $...eE..$
     
  13. Harley

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    $nakeEye$ - is that really what you want to focus on here - gossip and me as the messenger instead of craps o_O

    Stalking me on the internet is not gonna get you the answers you want...

    You have to ask yourself the source of your gossip - is there an alternative motive - why aren't they speaking for themselves directly to me, but to you ?!

    Sometimes you gotta ask yourself, are you being played by a player ?
     
  14. $nakeEye$

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    NO Hardly -

    TWO can PLAY YOUR GAME ! :)

    $...eE..$
     


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