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Baccarat Pondering The "Randomness"

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by soxfan, Feb 7, 2023.

  1. Legendary

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    It is not a 4 progression. Those are results, not bets. It is two progression. I have even tried flat but that takes too long.

    Yes, it works for both B&M and RNG. I might be mistaken but I always thought WofO is RNG. Have not used this for online play but I don't see any difference. Unless it's rigged.

    Give it a try on several "play for fun" sites.
     
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    Forgot to mention that I have not loss more than 1 attempt. I have loss 3 in a row. The drawdown is how large is your progression. I have tried flat betting but it takes too long. As you can see in the video, it takes a while for an opportunity to make a bet. Also just remember the scoreboard is the enemy of this approach. You can see in the video, I did not once look at the results besides the last 4-5 hands.
     
  3. mansi19896

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    thanks for sharing. i keep eye on it. risking ab progression with loss 3 units. bankroll should cover atleast 20 losses with ab to be safe based on my experience.
     
  4. Legendary

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    What is AB progression? Forgot to mention after losing two hands of each attempt, you start over in the next attempt. Say if one were to do a two step marty, hand one $50 and hand two $100, hand 3 starts over at $50. I tend to do $50 and $65. I prefer a bankroll of 60-100. It helps calm the nerves.

    Those who frequent the casinos lately knows that they have been really slow. Unless there are lots of tables, it will test your patience.
     
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    Here was the 2nd longest streak that I have ever seen and surprisingly, the only streak that I ever had so much fun playing. I have never caught a streak longer than 9 in my 20 plus years of playing.

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    It's clear as sparkling water now. Thanks. Could you put numbers 1 -90 in hat and draw out 4 numbers and use them?
     
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    Definitely. I personally just approximate 8-15 hands between one number and the next.

    You can do this with chops as well. for chops, I would go 5-6 chops before trying to end the chops as there are more chops than anything. This means singles can group together more than not.

    Start making money soon. I can't wait to hear good news.
     
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  8. Jimske

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    This forum is really going down hill.

    This is so dumb no point in commenting.

    Really? Yet another Holy Grail that will make the casinos give up the Baccarats!

    Exactly. Random or not it's really moot. Still got to predict.

    Someone please tell me I don't understand. Why pick a decision number at all? Why not just wait for any 4 and make 2 bets against? In fact why not wait for ANY 4 or 5 or 6 pattern, 222, 1212, 1111, 1121 and make two bets that pattern won't repeat? In fact you're probably better off mixing it up with different patterns. Patterns don't generally last that long.
     
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    Someone please tell me I don't understand. Why pick a decision number at all? Why not just wait for any 4 and make 2 bets against? In fact why not wait for ANY 4 or 5 or 6 pattern, 222, 1212, 1111, 1121 and make two bets that pattern won't repeat? In fact you're probably better off mixing it up with different patterns. Patterns don't generally last that long.[/QUOTE]


    @Jimske

    You probably go through several dozen posts a day so you probably didn't have time to digest the reason for the random numbers. As I mentioned, you don't need to pick those numbers. You just need to randomly jump in. Also, I've said that the scoreboard is your enemy. When you look at the scoreboard for results, you are trying to run your strategy.

    I'll see if this might help. Can we agree that once the shoe is in the box, the number of streaks are fixed? I also mention how to avoid a long streak but I have a feeling it will get lost in all the post eventually. Let's say you randomly jump in NOT KNOWING that there are already 6 bankers. The next 4 you count will be a streak of 10 bankers. The streak happens to be 11 streak long. So you lose the first hand and wins on the 12th. Well, that is easy to say right. As I mentioned, you may miss both hands. I left instructions on how to play after. Say instead, the streak is 19 instead of 11, you wait till the banker ends and then about 8-15 hands later, you do the same.

    If you are experienced player, you know waiting for 4,5, or 6 streak to go against it is one of the oldest and most used strategy. By doing that, it is not RANDOM at all. If you even look at the video, I have not once looked at the result until the point where I stop to see the result of the RANDOM spot that I chose to jump in.

    A lot of experience people assume they know it all and don't bother to take the time to understand it. I'd say, you will never improve your game. I don't know how much clearer I can made the instructions. English is my 3nd language and I'm pretty sure I have tons of grammar and spelling errors.


    As far as those patterns you are talking about, I also play patterns in the 6 beads. Those common 2221 2221 whatever patterns you mentioned can go far. I have done that over 10 years ago successfully until it wasn't working. So I no longer use it.
     
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    @Jimske

    I'll tell you a funny story about a group of Asian players at my local casino(Asian myself). There are about 20 tables there. They would go around and wait for a streak of 8 and would martingale against the streak. Often, they will win. If there was ever a streak of 14-18 on any given table, they will lose badly. The reason? There are only 20 tables, it is 100% that you will run into a long streak that will do that easily. I tell my friends, if you go around looking for trouble, you will find it.

    I used to do this when I started playing. I had more success before I started to lose because you will need to sit to play. Even then, you will run into those long streaks. A lot less than those going from table to table though. Regardless, we all know that is a fail system/approach. I am not smart but not exactly dumb either. If I were to share something especially to a wide audience, it has to be something at least decent.
     
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    I will probably not be around often after the Lunar new year so I thought I made another short video to show the affectiveness of this approach. Happy Lunar New Year! Enjoy!

     
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  12. Jimske

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    Oh, So no Internet where you're going?
    Okay, take care.
     
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    No, I have internet all day. I'm just busy with life. I've been in forums long enough. I have been on the BS.cc forum for a while about 8-10 years ago. I remember you from there along with a few others. Love your no BS responses because I'm all about no BS as well.
     
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    at beginning i arrived -14 already using trigger less then 10 spins, but now with bigger gap and roulette with 3 even chances im having similar ratio like in your 2 videos
     

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    I played around with this under simulation and don't see any advantage. The only plus I can see in picking the numbers you mention is that you may or may not be randomly entering near the end of streak or chop you are betting against rather than at the beginning.

    For example, if you betting again a Player streak, your random entry may have you starting after 7 Players have been seen instead of four.

    As far as I can tell this is just another route on the bettors way to the 49.3 to 50.7 % range that you always end up with in Baccarat (in the long run).
     
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    probably. i once tried to continue bets if previous day loss came at 15.31 i tried next day same time and even like this it evantually failed
     
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    @judge Maybe this is not the right place to ask, but I saw your comments on Jae OG method, and I believe you tried it with 2000 unit. Could you please share your experience? Did you ever busted 2000unit? I greatly appreciate your comment on that. Thanks
     
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    Thanks for your Reply, appreciate it. I haven’t seen any other people real experience on this forum. I am going to try it Live just want some advice.
     
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    Thanks for running the simulation. Glad you can see where the advantage may be but there are a few other advantages to this approach. It helps avoid all the types of trends that people are having trouble with in Baccarat. This approach avoids the nasty terrible 2's, the short steaks and chops for those who likes to ride them and the long trends for those who go against them.

    In the short run, I have done 80% hit rate. I also went through the two video, which shows a hit rate of 67%. I'm sure it will be lower in the long run but not significantly. I'm just busy playing most of the time so I don't track(Besides, I am applying this to pattern trends these days, not just regular chops and streaks of player or banker). Even if the simulation shows the hit rate is 50%, it does not mean that a gain is not possible. In any given incident, there are 3 possible out comes.

    1. W
    2. L W
    3. L L

    I don't know if it's pure luck or not but outcome 1 and 2 happens a lot more for me than outcome 3. Let's not count outcome 1. I can go LW with some LL and still come out a winner.

    LWLWLWLWLLLWLWLWLWLWLWLLLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLW ---> Less than 50%

    As you can see in the video, I have not hit LL. I definitely will if I try to win 30 events.
     
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