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Baccarat PPPP bet B Update

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by fathead, Sep 16, 2021.

  1. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but everything relative, right? If you bust a full start style then ya get clipped for 900 units so a 9000 los with a 10$ base units bet. That's the same as a mere 18 units down draw with a 500$ base units flats bet, hey hey.
     
  2. Joey Torres

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    Hi Fathead,

    Did you test the outcome of PPPP bet B until win or up to 4 bets and if this scenario is profitable.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  3. fathead

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    Both scenarios are profitable on my data. Hard to go wrong if you wait for 4 or more Players and start betting Banker. I suppose it could be a fluke. I think it totaled 15,000 bets over 4062 shoes so seems to be something there.
     
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    Good effort, but would suggest in real time play 99% of the people that try this will lack the patience to stick to the plan. They will crash and burn as the waiting between events will not give them the instantaneous results they want yesterday. Thankfully the casinoverse coffers will swell and provide the infrastructure the grateful few required, thanks.
     
  5. Joey Torres

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    Thanks Fathead for the reply.

    In your testing, did you stop after 4 LIAR and look for a new trigger then reset the progression to 1 and bet until win or 4 LIAR?

    Thanks again.
     
  6. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member

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    This is sort of how I first started playing Baccarat, it remained profitable after three months, I played lots of tables though. All my testing including Zumma books, indicated it has a positive expectation.

    If you re-set any progression, you'll never get ahead, that also doesn't mean you continue, you can break it down.
     
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  7. fathead

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    This would definitely require a lot of patience and free time. Not sure how many, including myself, would be up to it.
     

  8. fathead

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    No problem, Joey. The best was to wait for 4 Players in a row, then start betting Banker until you have a win. After you win then you reset the progression to one unit. The easiest way to approach this is to look at the last 4 decisions. PPPP bet B otherwise no bet. Once you have a win, you have PPPB and thus no bet.
     
  9. fathead

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    That's a bit of confirmation, then. I know you use mainly a Labby and Fibonacci. What bet selection have you settled upon?
     
  10. Punkcity

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    Good call, but it’s just a discipline thing. I see it this way (this is in a very basic no frills statement ) If I THINK that this ( particular ) method will serve me and I have done the research such as yourself and junketking have posted, I have given myself a WORKABLE bankroll consisting of a sizeable unit value ($100 to $500 ) I would make sure I stuck to the pppp bet now banker. It is worth MY while.

    The high unit value ($100 to $500)

    WILL

    compensate for the day you only get 1 bet opportunity . It will also IMO stop you (myself) from having that little side bet when I see ppp try for b now etc.

    If one is using a lower unit value say ($5 to $25) psychologically WE all know $5 buys you sweet fuk all . one will mentally rail against it the strict rule of pppp only before betting bank at$5 units because you feel you have been here all day , your food , beverage, travel costs are not covered on a single $5 on , then you lose 5% in commission.
    The discipline is MUCH EASIER at a higher denomination unit value, you have done the research why trial it in real life play with a small unit value. If you don’t believe in what you are doing DONT DO IT.
    Save up your bankroll to match a higher unit, you have the test results, if you don’t believe your results why have you taken the opportunity to test ?

    You win one bet for the day at $500, yeah I can discipline my way there. You could also.
    Cheers
     
  11. fathead

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    Yes, I could do it and have done it. When I was focusing on craps I would not bet unless I had a system signal. If it was my turn to roll the dice I would put down $5 or whatever the minimum was and roll. Sometimes I would make other people money on my roll when I did not make a penny or even lost money. If I had a system bet I would go up to $500 (I guess it was $550, $50 on the line and $500 odds).

    Maybe I was pursuing the wrong strategy. I always set the dice a certain way and focused with intent and visualization. I saw guys make thousands occasionally while I just had $5 on the line. I have gotten black chip tips from players before. I have not played craps for a while, though. I should try it again on a limited basis once I feel comfortable traveling again.
     
  12. Junket King

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    Back in 2004 when I played this AS4 (anti-streak after 4) I used a Fibonacci, I was jumping around a lot of tables, never taking a seat, it was toil and effort and I had help from a casino friend.

    My current bet selection is ABR (anti binary repeat), Somebody else asked about this recently, is posted in a "casino shoes" thread on this board, I had a quick look for it but couldn't find it, I'll have another look soon. Suffice to say, the premise is to control the loss strings, if I have manageable loss strings, then I can over-come most of those with running multi-labby's, I've posted how I do this, but the posts are littered all over the place.

    Nar mate, no need to go there at the onset.

    As I keep records of all my sessions, looking back to 2004 and starting with a base unit of $25AU, I won my first 13 sessions, the first returned $1055 (must have had lots of free time, as opposed to the following day, I only made $200, then $395, $700, $1250, session 10 $3200. I was up about $14k in two weeks, then it became a bit of roller-coaster, but still positive after over 80 sessions.

    It wasn't all plain sailing, I lost doing the same thing using $500 units and I've also turned a single $500 chip into $16k in the space of a few hours.

    Because nothing is guaranteed, in my opinion, this is not a flat bet win option, you have to deploy a negative progression despite what any stats show, you also have to take a few bites after PPPP, not one single bet, I took max of 3, unless my friend won a bet for me elsewhere to clear the drawdown, then I could resume, otherwise let it go. It is a great method with two heads, so long as you guys are in sync and know what you are doing, I also bet against BBBB, you do need lots of tables and patience though.

    Imagine waiting 20 mins seeing PPPP, place a $500 bet, lose, now wait another 30 mins to see if you'll can get your money back of be down $1000, then another 20 mins or a lot worse, not practicable
     
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