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Roulette Ramblings of the Inept for the Misfits

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Oct 5, 2019.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Warning !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Chart below from actual casino play - *may trigger Misfits and others to post nonsense replies..
    read at your own risk.
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    Flat betting only over the course of the last 2 casino visits (I don't do weekends).
    Worth mentioning -
    1) Flat bet only - 1 unit per played number.
    2) Min numbers played = 1 / max number played = 4
    3) Every single number played won (17 wins). 1 number was left being played at the end but I removed it as I was finished playing - other players at the table kept playing it (good for them).
    4) Player's EDGE 41.01% (as compared to the "expected" -5.26% for the 00 AC wheel)
    5) Average numbers played per spin = 1.95 (basically 2 numbers average per spin)

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    Does it matter ? Nope.
    The posts below will contain the usual nonsense that has been put out for years.
    "Not enough spins"
    "Doesn't beat picking numbers randomly"
    "Got lucky"
    "You can't predict random"
    "Patterns don't exist"
    "It's all a FALLACY to expect anything to appear based on past spins"

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    For the actual readers who are trying to improve their "game" -
    1) Horse race analogy (can be explained again if needed).
    2) Don't listen to the misfits.
    3) Random can be made predictable based on past data alone.
    4) Flat betting is all you need - progressions are only for increasing bankroll at a higher
    pace once you build yours up. Never use one to "dig out of a hole" when what you're doing
    isn't working.
    5) (repeat 2) Know who to listen to and who to ignore or else you might as well not
    even attempt to win at this game, they have made it clear that winning is NOT possible.

    Cheers and keep winning
     
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  2. Benas

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    That you post chart - not means , that you played and won
    If random for you is predictable that is firstly not random, and if it is so you done bigest discovery and if you use it for play then you simply lost your time and money because banks will pay for such discovery such big money that you will not need even think about money in future ...
    If that will be true :).....
     
  3. 6th-sense

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    Nice to see you back and posting
     
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  4. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Benas, I have homework for you - do it or don't.

    Take note of each dozen (this is just an example, but surely you will understand when
    you run your test) - Ka2 as well, have at it. Post results below.

    Now, take note of each dozen. 00 wheel is fine.
    Record which spin the first one appears (any of the 3)
    Record which spin the second one appears (any of the 2 remaining)
    Record which spin the third one appears (the remaining dozen) - and start over.

    Now chart on what spin (on average) the first winner was (hint - long term it will average
    around the first spin) (more specifically around spin 1.06 seems obvious of course)
    Chart on what spin (on average) the second of the remaining two appear.
    (hint - long term it will average at or around the 3rd spin)
    Chart on what spin (on average) the last remaining dozen appears.
    (hint - long term it will average around the 5th spin)

    Consider this now as a tiny horse race analogy situation.
    3 horses - one will win first (you won't know which one) but it WILL win before "expected",
    the next horse will win on average exactly where expected (the odds of a dozen appearing),
    and the last horse will win on average beyond the expected (on average). That's clearly the horse
    no one would bet on - but the "cold" number players will of course to their own detriment.

    Now once this sinks in, consider the fact that any predefined sequence you can come
    up will result in the same results. We're not playing a 1 spin game here, it's a series of spins
    that makes up a winning session.

    And then, you'll understand that predicting a future result based on past spins, (a pattern being
    completed if you will) - makes random entirely predictable.

    If not, then I can't help much beyond that with specifics - if a light bulb doesn't go off in
    your head then you don't have the ability to think past 1 spin and winning a series of spins
    in order to win overall isn't possible. The choice is yours.
     
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  5. Jefra

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    Welcome back Turbo!!!!

    It is great to see your posts again because it was horrible to read all that nonsense in last few months here in forum.
     
  6. Benas

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    Turbo I did such tests 20 years back when I only started. Much better is this:
    say we have three balls in bag white black and red. I put hand into the bag and take one ball look which color- say red and put it back.
    Now i again dip hand in to bag and want to take one ball again.
    Say I am in the same situation like before I take that red ball, or not?
     
  7. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    That's a completely different thing.
    You are replacing the ball and pulling one again, so no matter what -
    you're odds of pulling a specific color out of your bag is 1 in 3.

    Now if you want to do the same thing and this time follow what I wrote above....
    you just might get it.

    Record how many pulls from the bag it takes to get any colored ball. (in your case it will always be one)
    Put it back in the bag.
    Record how many pulls until you get a different color from the bag,
    and how many pulls until you get the final colored ball from the bag.

    You'll see that (like I said above) - 1 will always win on the first pull
    1 will be pulled (on average) 1 in 3 (as expected)
    and the last will be pulled well beyond expected.

    This is how random works - there isn't equality.
    When you understand that there isn't equality in random, it isn't difficult to exploit
    the fact that things don't happen equally. You need to use the information that you do have
    based on what you've pulled from the bag in order to predict the future winner.
    You'll see that it can be done, and easily - or you just won't.
     
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  8. Benas

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    For me looks like you read some writings of one my friend because your examples are very similar ...
    For you, something says such phrase - "number temperature" , or distance/gap between apearings numbers?
     
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    And one more maybe you read an example where instead horses are buses - it is much more informative ...:) You know that writing?
    I am not an author, but I very good know him, he is quite good my friend.
    Maybe you will find something common? By the way, he also is a very big fan to beat randomness and he achieved something in real.And he is very good mathematician and programer...
     
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  10. TurboGenius

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    Your chart would look something like this (as in the example above for dozens... we're not even talking
    about the straight-up bets I play)

    Here's 30 runs I just spun off and how it charts... see ?
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    1.03 vs 1.06 / 2.9 vs 3 / 6.3 vs 5

    So I was pretty close with this little test, but running thousand of test you'll see the results
    much more clearly.
    1 horse wins well below expected (1 in 3) (wins around spin #1 on average)
    1 horse wins at expected (1 in 3) (wins around spin #3 on average)
    the last horse wins well above expected. (wins around spin #5-6 on average)
     
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  11. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Unfortunately knowing the odds doesn't change the house edge. The payoff in roulette will always be short of what probability says is fair.
     
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  12. trellw24

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    Hey welcome back Turbo, ironically I emailed you yesterday with a question regarding random and that 1961 video. I will test this dozen experiment out myself to try to better understand random myself. I understand what you mean by the lack of equality makes it obvious that there will be numbers or locations performing above average but the difficult part seems to be what patterns can be used to predict what those numbers and locations are AHEAD OF TIME, you always said you have to bet a number as it's becoming hot not just once it's already hot. Only pattern I can think of is law of thirds but I still don't see how it will point you in the right direction to bet on on those roughly 13 numbers that will be above expected appearances. I know random is the reason why you can win I'm just having a hard time decoding the chaotic madness it is lol
     
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    Would tend to not disagree with that statement

    So you have 3 horses, one is a thorough bread, wins more races than the other two.
    Next horse is bit of a mare, not a thorough bread, but not a nag either, so usually is second, but wins the odd race in 3.
    Next horse is a bit of a nag, usually always lagging behind, rarely wins, maybe 1 in 5 or 6 races.

    Now you have your stats, but those sneaky trainers try to pull a fast one, they dope up the thorough bread and the mare and start feeding the nag a steroids, which results in it winning it's next 10 races. How is the sudden change of form handled?
     
  14. Benas

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    But all that not gives you knowledge - which horse concrete!
    So you stand near wheel - want bet 1/3 of wheel (12 numbers). How to choose which to bet?
    Here I not understand what you wanted to show if ods then sum must be equal 1...
    Ok, say you spent many hours and selected 12 number which hit more often and decided to bet on them - all is good that is some kind of bias ... but very weak.
    So you do not need to talk about some horses - simply say that you want to play some kind of bias and all is clear.
     

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    Thanks for this refresher. Much appreciated.
     
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    Hi Turbo, your chart of 30 runs showing dozens (or balls from a bag ) is interesting.
    Following your logic, we try to make use of the information-
    Suppose we have the three balls, red white and blue-
    The 1st out of the bag is red. We don't bet on this, as it could have been any of the 3 colours, correct?
    We could bet that the next ball is a repeat, red again. If a different colour comes out, say white, we could bet
    that red or white repeats. We would have to put 2 units on red and 2 units on white to win 2 units, hence covering our
    previous loss. if blue appears, we have lost 5 units.
    But, the chart shows consecutive appearances (1, 2, 3 ) appear 5 times out of 30, just what we would expect to
    break even!
    Betting a colour will not repeat does not work either (note the 8 spins on run 7 ) so what else could we do?
     
  17. Ka2

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    Well done! 223 spins flat betting! As I have said before and will say again. I have these charts as well! Sometimes I was up almost 10.000 flatbetting! But in the end it goes back to zero!

    Play your system again flatbetting for 100.000 spins see what happens then! (and dont skip spins the dont count)

    Also dont say we are not playing 100.000 spins in our lieftime, if you think you have something you need to test it that way! Like i said above i had streaks where i was way up. But in the end it always fails!
     
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    Why did you skip so much spins in those sessions contrary to the one posted "27th-30th combined" session, do you have two different HolyGrails?.
     
  19. TurboGenius

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    There are multiple ways to use the exact same concept to win.
    Like making bread once you have the recipe.

    You can make pretzels or bread or a ton of other things, they are all different but based upon
    the same foundation and mostly the same ingredients.
     
  20. TurboGenius

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    The point of the post was to show the results of using a multiple number pattern that completes before any of the others (you would need to have multiple patterns competing with one another of course).
    The chart for dozens was to show that 1 will Always win before the others, 1 will appear exactly as expected and 1 will appear well past expected.
    The exact same thing happens when you have multiple patterns racing one another to be completed.
    1 always finishes the race before expected (based on how many numbers it is this amount of time can be shorter or longer - longer patterns are more reliable but slower to play of course).
    So in the horse race analogy - if 1 horse is 1 step away from winning - you would naturally bet on that horse to win.
    That's what is represented in my chart from casino play, all I did was flat bet the horse that was on it's last step to win that race - and it always did/does.
     
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