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Roulette Reading Randomness

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by gizmotron, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Mark,

    Please elaborate 24 ( 13) and 24 (14). I have an idea what this might mean.



    Thanks.



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  2. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It's when someone bets on double dozens. They bet 24 numbers and not the other 13 numbers if it is a single zero wheel. It's also 24 and the other 14 if it is a double zero wheel.
     
  3. Nathan Detroit

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    Thanks. Very much appreciated .



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  4. Nathan Detroit

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    Those 6 streets a typical table lay out based game. No thanks .


    For the standard EC I have 5 playing options available.
     
  5. Gigi666

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    Interesting topic, but waaay too long to go through especially with all the bull that people write about, arguing, challenging etc.. Human brains are set to see patterns in everything whether these will repeat in short term or not is another story, but similar approach is used for example in Forex/stock trading and also there only a handful of retail traders profit. Why most of us don't profit on trading/gambling? Because most of the time we get too greedy too fast, can't stick to rules and some that lets not fool ourselves addicted to taking risk, get on a "tilt" that would make you lose even with "holy grail". I like to trade patterns in forex with decent success over the years and so its pretty normal for me to try to play repeats and patters in roulette too, although I can't say I ever had long term success despite hours of testing etc.
    Anyway here are my attempts on making 3x90$ or losing 7x90$ as Gizmo does, although I found it so far easier to get to just under 270$ profit as sessions would be much shorter. 4 sessions in total +1325$ in one I was close to losing 630$, but it was 1st one so I think I got bit better playing next sessions.
    I'd like your input Gizmo on how long do you stay in a pattern? Until it loses or if you see another high probability one starting up you'd switch? I kept betting selection basic even if 2 patterns emerged on different EC's.
     

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  6. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It depends on the effectiveness states.

    I'd like to point out that I worked on this for more than 20 years. I went thru phases. I overcame difficulties with self control. I found what I was looking for and then proved it could be taught. I then simplified the tactic in order to share it in a basics format. You can't just breeze over a few of the first pages and think that you know what is going on. You can't just take your trading experience, try a few sessions and then ask for input. People have asked questions and gotten answers regarding this thread and at one other gambling forum also. I did it that way in order to do it once. There is enough information already published.

    You don't have the skills until you have the skills. You can validate everything yourself by playing at least 120 to 500 sessions and doing the math on your results. I just mention a few basic characteristics and then teach the fundamentals of the effectiveness states. You really should not try to go ahead until you have the basics first. People want to get there quick and easy. They want to assume that they already can guess what this is. I want people to have a foundation in obvious trend and pattern characteristics before they attempt to tackle the micro trends. I just play the micro trends and patterns for one net win at a time. The odds are 50/50 on one try. Those are the best odds. It's why I try to stay close to breaking even while trying to get three net wins and a session win. You can't start with micros. You must first learn to read the charts with visual dexterity. You can't skip getting that experience. It's not looking at a single data stream. It's all about looking at 6 data streams all at once and seeing the connections between them. Stock trading is only looking at one data stream at a time. Reading Randomness is about looking at 12 different sets of information and seeing the relationship between coincidences and times when it is working between those sets.
     
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  7. gizmotron

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    You are obviously good at reading the charts and switching to a winning streak. I try to see the micro win. I look for just one win off of each trend. There are twice as many wins off the first try then when staying on a trend and riding it. But, there can also be a swarm of triples, quads, and higher across the chart so staying for a few extra is good when that is the temporary condition. It all comes down to learning what common activity is like. That takes lots of practice. You will have all your answers if you try to do two or three sessions per day and keep it up for a month or two. I hope you reach 4.66 wins for every one lost session at 7 net losses.

    I may have lost 3 sessions in a row at 7 net losses or 21 net lost bets as the worst sequence so far in all these past several years since I perfected the simplified version with EC's only once. My nemesis is laziness and boredom. I keep bonking out at RS. I just get so tired of grinding out wins. But when I go to the casino I only play two sessions per day. I treat the time with all respect. You need to see if you can beat the expected math. You are not supposed to break even according to the so called experts and the probability zombies. It becomes a war with willpower. You must learn to find out that swarms of first try losses can get you. You must pull back and regroup on every lost bet. Wins phases come and go. If you have the power to recognize them and to wait for them then you will own the casinos. It looks like you have at least basic skill by your examples of using the practice software.
     
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  8. Gigi666

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    Thanks Gizmo. I did not mean to skip the "learning curve", but every little info if you are willing to provide now is better always than browsing through 80+ pages where most of the time your "enemies" pollute the subject ;)
    I am a software tester by trade, so spotting certain things comes bit easier and I am used to the "grind". I would also not jump and play this for real money especially that I never really played EC based method, as you mentioned it gets quite boring even if you know you will make money. I think this is biggest issue for gamblers in general, we are looking for a quick big win, so even if its a golden egg/holy grail but requires a lot of work to learn not many will bother or eventually won't stick to the rules.
    I like this approach of short (in theory at least) sessions as it has potential to build up the bank slowly with good safety net, that is like with every other method that could be profitable, mastering it.
    I'll play through 100+ sessions and post the results then and any possible questions.
     
  9. gizmotron

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    Somewhere in the thread I show how to become a millionaire with just one session per day and 250 days a year for four years in a row. It's explained that $1,000 per day times 250 = $250,000 per year. Four times that and the IRS classifies you as a millionaire. All you need is a big enough bankroll and to use $25 chips.
     
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    With compounding, assuming you can control yourself, taking your example that 3 times in a row was most you lost and my safe money mgm approach, you could start playing 1$ chip so risking 126$ per session having 20x session as whole bank so 2520$. Assuming your 4.66 wins for every one loss (lets call it a cycle) which will result in around 126$ profit per cycle, you'll get around 44 cycles in those 250 games each cycle making 5% profit, if compounding after each cycle, you turn it into 21k in first year, 184k 2nd year and over 1.5mil after 3rd year ;P
    Of course problem is not many have the patience even if they have the skills.
     
  11. gizmotron

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    This Covid 19 thing has me grounded from travailing. Normally I travel the west coast here in the USA. I go from southern states in the winter and to the northern coast where it is cool in the summer. There are about 40 casinos to work. I have found that one two or three chips are easy enough to get down on each of the 18 to 20 numbers I have selected in time. It all comes down to getting the bets down in time. So you go in steps of singles to fives witch could be $15 at a spot. Then you jump up to $25 chips. That's easiest because many of those Indian casinos have a $25 straight up max. It's an intriguing idea, going exponential.
     
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    So, I've done few more test runs and few online plays. Weird thing is how in some cases the losses occurred after same number of plays as in previous 20 play set. Unfortunately from the last 20 (3rd column) I started playing live after 9 wins in test, just to hit the 3 losses. From tomorrow I will leave the "practice" runs and just do 20 real cash sessions to see how it fares over a longer period and if I can reproduce this win to loss ratio. If all goes the same I guess I can stop testing other stuff ;P
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    So 50 wins at an average of 280 : 50 x 280 = 14,000

    10 loses at an average of 660 = 6,600

    You are still producing a slightly better than 2 to 1 win to loss ratio. I'm impressed since you limit yourself to a few characteristics.

    Do you know about Roulette Simulator and the "Rated" games that they offer? It keeps track of all your past games and each bet placed as well as your wins and losses. It's very good.
     

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    I found in those early 20 sessions, that trying to go for too many wins and finding too many "characteristics" was just too much and going for 2 wins from one pattern and only following two of them over the different streams works best for me. Plus combining 2 if present minimizes the losses at times and in few cases 2 in a row give a nice boost to the bank.

    Yeah I use RS sometimes to mess around and compare things with my sessions in RX.
     
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    I have tried online Roulette on and off for the past year. But that 3,000 unit bankroll at RS has taught me something. My 3/7 is too small. At least over the past year I have lost up to three 7 net losses in a row only once in practice. So I'm now using 30 times my base bet for funded bet selections and I not losing any more online sessions. I've been floating along on a single $100 deposit and am now convinced that perhaps the online casino is not targeting my bet selections. I'm seeing the same kind of support / resistance moving average waves as I see at RS. It's interesting. I just search for the strong side and grind away with an ever upward result. I'm now seeing what I wanted to see from online play. This is there RNG games with no hurry up problems getting bets down in time too. This Casino has already paid me $500 so I know they pay the winners. It has a very good reputation. So I'm not really posting much anymore while I see how long this can last.
     
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    Agreed that boredom and quick win thought would destroy any session..been there done that....

    I guess I would start from page one...
     
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    So you're saying Gizmo that you now use 30units bank rather than 7u in one session, but still targeting 3u session win or you just keep going since you know you'll get out of any hole eventually?
     
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    That is exactly what I'm doing. I started out with a $104 investment in day trading a Roulette table. You break that down in 30 parts and round down you get $3 per bet on an EC.

    As many that have followed Reading Randomness since 2006, where I would drop hints, I went from the hottest three numbers in 300 spins to Ec's, then to double dozens, and then back to Ec's.

    Because I started with such a small investment at an online casino I must use the outside bets only. So I'm using my charting software for dozens/columns and the three EC's in the table layout for my groupings. That software is here and free to download. Once I get to say $1200 I might switch over to the charting app for online play that is set up like the practice software with those groupings.

    I must admit a that I'm very good at targeting a sleeping dozen or a swarm of singles in the dozens or columns.

    So I bet with $3 as the base value and $1 when I don't know what looks the best. I end a session on $9 which equates to three net wins. I play two or three sessions per day.

    This is just a test to see if I can beat the online casinos RNG game and find out if the casino does manipulated targeting. I now know that limiting a session to 7 net losses was a mistake. That is because I was looking for that win/loss ratio. I now play with a little more than 4 times that 7 net losses as a bankroll and I play to never lose. Do I dig holes? Yes. I was trying to do a huge long session yesterday and went from $78 to $230, started making $30 to $50 bets and dropped back to $119. So that weakness of trying to get a monster win off of a huge attack went south for me again. But that steady grind upward that takes weeks is actually the way to go. But that's just me with my imperfections. I'm a degenerate gambler that knows how to win if I just grind away like it's a job.

    Does that answer your question?
     
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    Yeah, the biggest issue for all of us here I guess, lack of discipline. I mentioned somewhere else that even if you'd present a holy grail method 95% of people would fail with it long term because of not sticking to rules or/and bad money mgm.


    Yes, although I don't think that makes a difference since you are still trying to make 3 net wins in a session, as you still have to overcome 7u lost, so whether its played over a number of separate sessions or in one big (if losses accumulate) gives the same outcome since you need same number of winning bets to get back.

    I turned 25$ bonus in one casino into 200$ (ok going bit aggressive from the beginning but now sticking with 18$ per spin max), so will see how many winning sessions I can go on rng without losing 2 sessions in a row. I'm finding rng more challenging than the tests I ran up until now, so dropping to 18$ base unit will see if my stats hold up and whether casinos manipulate results as you start winning more.
    Live dealer would be better but as you mentioned before, its too fast to have enough time to analyze and place the bets correctly.
     

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