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Roulette RNG or Vegas Star as called in Australia

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Hans Piechoki, Jul 9, 2017.

  1. Hans Piechoki

    Hans Piechoki New Member

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    Hi my name is Hans and I live in Australia and been playing Roulette for over 30 years. After reading Turbos comments on RNG I am still not convinced and would really like to know the truth. Told to me by a computer expert, RNG works this way. Having studied RNG for a long time I believe him.
    True RNG spits out a Random number but then the computer decides if the house edge has been established.
    If not the computer requests another random number. So in fact you could have the winning number at first but if the payout on that number exceeded the house percentage win another number will be called for.
    It's Legal too as any game that you play whilst sitting on a screen is classed as a Poker machine.
    That goes for Rapid Roulette to as we discovered here in Australia at Crown Casino they have computers attached to them. 47 players tried to sue Crown to find out that they were within there rights.
     
  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Hans,

    Here's what Steve said on the subject. As much as I don't like Steve, he's pretty much correct about the system.


    "Regarding Turbo's system, my understanding is he plays repeaters with a strong progression over a 37 spin cycle. He waits for a number to have 2 hits in 37 spins, then plays on it. When there are 3 hits, he either increases the bet on it or resets for the next 37 spins. There are many possible variations but it is all the same. The approach doesnt work because after multiple hits on a number, the odds are still the same.

    You cant thank random for wins. That's like being thankful for the odds never changing. It's like John Solitude's raindrop method ("eventually" it will hit and there will be a predictable spread because its random) - doesnt work either, same fallacy.

    Test more and I know it will eventually lose.

    Sure turbo may have $5m in virtual credits. But you need to understand the math of parx. You are paid free credits just for logging in. If you log in and play with those free credits, you win more than other people who dont log in and play. Then when you top the leaderboard, you win 100k or so free credits in which case you can very easily top the leaderboard again, because other people don't have those credits to play with.

    All it would take to top the leaderboard regularly is login and play the right amount of time. This way you don't deplete your bonus credits, and you maintain a higher balance than others.

    You don't have to take my word for it. Another member tested the theory whether or not they realized it, and ended up one of the top ranked player too. It has nothing to do with the system. It's just the math of the parx."

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    My take on it is that he's only winning because he's playing in free mode on a cartoon wheel. I've simulated countless variations of this stuff over the years and have demonstrated that it's a nifty idea, but it doesn't work for very long. Earlier in one of the threads I demonstrated the system by running it over 30k spins. It of course lost.

    On the surface, it's pretty easy to understand why the system will lose on an RNG or random wheel. The payout will always be short of what the odds dictate as fair.

    Such a system is a guaranteed loser over time over time in the random game. On the live wheel it can theoretically perform a little bit better. Playing hot numbers is a better choice on live wheels. However, on random wheels/rng it doesn't make a dent in the house edge.
     
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  3. Hans Piechoki

    Hans Piechoki New Member

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    Thanks for the reply Dr Sir, but you may have misunderstood me. I was asking about the honesty of RNG and any feedback or solid information on that. Hans
     
  4. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    I wouldn't play an RNG, especially a Vegas Star RNG. Did you know that game can be set to pay the casino MORE than what the game would ordinarily make if it was a real wheel?!!
     
  5. TurboGenius

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    Again, and please verify for yourself since you don't seem to get it yet - whatever "bonus" credits you get - either by logging in or leaderboard positions - DO NOT count as profits. You can't log in, get 3k bonus credits and then be in first place with 3k. That 3k means nothing towards the weekly challenge that I kept posting and updating. It is only profit from play that separates people on the ranking. So a person with a small bankroll can win a lot and be in first - a person with huge bankroll won't be in first - they would have to wager and win on spins (as I did) and work their way up. I explained this before but you won't listen.

    Who was that ? A) I wouldn't take your word for it, you're not being honest.
    B) WHO ? who was ahead of me for roulette in the leaderboard in first place since I've started playing there ? I posted screenshots every week. Your imaginary "another member" doesn't exist. Why are you giving bad and misleading advice to a new member who was only asking about the RNG being fair at Crown Casino is Australia ?? Suddenly it turned into another "all about Turbo" post. Shrugs.
     
  6. TurboGenius

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    Nah, I passed that a while ago.
    Starting with almost NOTHING. But I know, it's a cartoon wheel and fixed RNG (even though others have ranked and then lost their bankroll, it's fixed "just for me", not enough spins, the moon is full.
    A computer guy and a broken wheel expert don't believe me, the level of fucks I give is 0.
    Anything but to accept the truth, I get it.
     
  7. mr j

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    Back to Denzie again.....even though I dont like him much, he did have a second good point. Parx or not, lets see another player get up to 5 million (actually 7) on a "rigged" game. Is Turbo simply playing more sessions? Is Turbo simply playing higher unit sizes? Regardless, 7 million is impressive.

    Ken
     

  8. Hans Piechoki

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    What are you guys talking about?? I put up a post about RNG for Input and you are all talking about jostling for positions and credits. Over 30 years of playing roulette I have come across some fairly reasonable ways of playing and knowledgeable Input from this forum could have made some visible improvements. But it seems you guys are far too interested in fighting. Well good luck with that.
     
  9. 14RedGreg

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    RNG are generally distrusted by most. Yeah people are playing RNG at Parx but that is just okay money, sure most wouldn't entertain that with real money. You may be right about how RNG are programmed but a lot are developed differently, so you couldn't be sure either way. Real spins is the way to go for real money
     
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  10. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I would say that if you don't have access to a real wheel with a live dealer - don't even attempt to beat this game, hell I wouldn't even risk playing it if some programmed nonsense was working against me.
     
  11. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    No you haven't.
     

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