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Roulette RNG vs. Real Wheels

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Shank, Nov 24, 2021.

  1. TwoUp

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    I have attached a reference card with critical values for detecting bias/skew for a given number of spins on a European wheel (37 pockets). The confidence interval used is 95%.
     

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  2. TwoUp

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    This makes sense, I would imagine anyone tracking wheels would separate their results into two populations based on spin direction as you can assess them independently and combined.
     
  3. Keyser Soze

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    Can you help explain how to read this chart?
     
  4. TwoUp

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    Sure. The number of spins is how many spins you have recorded. The other columns give the number of occurrences you need to exceed for the that outcome (a single pocket, or 2 adjacent pockets, a sector, etc) to be significant and potentially biased. I provide both over and under values. So you can detect where occurances of a pocket/outcome are overrepresented or underrepresented vs what is expected by random with 95% confidence.
     
  5. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  6. SPIKE

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    It apparently slipped your mind who you were talking to. When have I ever agreed to do a test.
     
  7. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    It might be entertaining to post some RNG spins and some live wheel spins in order to see how many people can identify which sample is which.
    I might create a test.
     

  8. SPIKE

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    Here's what you'll do. You'll post what you say is a stream from actuals and a stream from RNG. Then later you'll say oops, I lied, they are both RNG. Then you'll say I promise this time it's going to be both. Then you'll say oops, I lied again, they are both actuals. It is an old tactic that nobody feels like playing. Your interest is not curiosity that somebody can do it, your interest is in proving that somebody can't do it. You have tremendous bias and are the worst person to be administering a test.
     
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  9. Nathan Detroit

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    Screw the RNG. I want the real wheel.
     
  10. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Nathan,

    You know what blows my mind are the number of people playing those cartoon roulette games. It's so friggin weird.
    And in NY, you'll see hundreds of people playing the Interblock Bac game, but the card shufflers no longer work and the entire game is just dealt via an RNG. Those players look hypnotized. It's so bizarre.
     
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  11. SPIKE

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    That's my point .RNG's suck for anything other than using it in a slot machine.
     
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  12. SPIKE

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    What are those, I've never seen them. I only see RNG roulette games that Bally males. I saw one years ago where the last player had put 50 cents on every number and on the double zeros, every number except the number 2. Guess what the winning number was. You got it, it was 2. I bet that guy was pissed. Hard to beat an algorithm when it doesn't want to be beat.
     
  13. Rheti

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    I need 200 Spins..

    Try to detect... curious

    And please say where the live spins are coming from ? 1 zero wheel, please,,
     
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  14. Chris Mole

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    dont play rng unless you like being a loser
     

  15. Rheti

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    where's that F..... Test ?
     
  16. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Rheti,

    I'm sorry that I missed your post. I'll put together ten tests for you to have fun with. Detecting the differences in such small samples is quite tough, but feel free to give it a shot. You'd probably have to run 100 or more tests to show some results, but let's see how you do. :)

    Question...do you want spin stream? Or do you want standard deviation graphs of spin streams? Or both?
     
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  17. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Tests. Decide if it's an RNG or from a live sample.

    Here's number 1.

    17
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    2
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    23
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  18. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Number 2
    10
    20
    5
    5
    28
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    9
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    9
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    29
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    31
    14
    37
    2
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    16
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    3
    15
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    36
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    9
    9
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    30
    36
    17
    12
    26
    4
    1
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    4
    12
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    33
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    34
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    27
    29
    2
    1
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    0
    28
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    17
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    10
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    33
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    27
    27
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    26
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    0
    25
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    23
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  19. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Number 3
    10
    31
    8
    17
    28
    24
    8
    6
    8
    16
    0
    36
    0
    24
    20
    32
    11
    10
    3
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    21
    26
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    33
    5
    11
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    15
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    14
    29
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    12
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    Number 4
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    21
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