Intro Rob Singer

When you play with an advantage everything equates to an hourly rate. The more time you put in the more money you make. If I found a system that could produce a $2500+ win goal at will then I wouldn't drive back to Scottsdale and tag the building when I hit that win goal. I would simply start all over with the progression once I hit the win goal. I would do it several times a day. I wouldn't spend ten years making the million dollars. I would work my butt off for a year and invest the money in stocks and real estate. Then ten years later you are a multi-millionaire.

 

Sorry, guys. Here I am apparently hijacking Rob's comments. He's the guy to talk to- and I get from all this you all have an ongoing thing. I'm thru here. To each his own.

 

slingshot....the opinions posted do have merit and the questions asked are reasonable.

running away just means your cannot defend or answer.

RS and his methods are not above question or debate.

I am willing to hear it out and make my own opinion.

 

Why live so far from the job? 1)Because that's where my home & family was. 2)Because I only wanted to play once a week. I'm not a casino rat, and I despise hanging around those filthy joints any more than I have to. 3)Because after a win it gives more enjoyment & satisfaction during my days off. After a loss, it gave me a cool-down period.

My goal was to average around $100k/yr. Sure the strategy could have yielded probably an unlimited amount of profit with an unlimited number of sessions. Everyone can USE $500k instead of $100k, but I didn't NEED it. Our retirement was set in advance, or else I'd have never started a gambling career.

Rent a condo and get the $100k win "out of the way in just a few months"? Again, family is far more important to me than gambling. I spent the prior 25 years working and living all over the world in my Corp. America job, and I was away from them entirely too much. A major part of my wife's acceptance of my gambling career was that I would be home much more often than I was while working.

What I did was more art than science. In addition to the technical part of playing properly, it took all aspects of my family's lives into consideration--something most gamblers (esp. vp players) will not do because of selfishness and addiction. Gamblers get into trouble when they become overly infatuated with the gambling. And by into trouble I mean they go broke, they have spousal/relationship problems, and they become social illiterates. Ask mickey. I believe you'll find he's an expert on all three.

Now please excuse me as I recover from being sliced & diced and embarrassed by mickeyhymie.

 

Larry what I think you'd benefit from is a detailed explanation of how the system works, why it works, and why it was fit directly into my own personal circumstances for the most chance of comfort and success. I don't know of anyone else whom I've trained/advised that does it exactly as I have. Most take the info and create their own spin-off--with positive results in play and enjoyment.

 

RS, one thing you said is very true regarding family and how gambling can hurt others in the family. I read the dedication on Barry Greensteins book(Ace on the River), and he apologizes to his family for how he treated them while he was gambling. It was heartbreaking, and brought tears tomy eyes as I read it in a bookstore. He apologized for ignoring them as he watched his sports that he bet on.So I can see the trap gamblers fall in, and applaud you wanting to avoid that trap...So that part rings true and has a basis for believability .

However it doesnt explain why you continued to live such a long distance from your job. By moving closer you would have been able to spend more time with your family. You would have less driving time.

What also doesnt ring true is that people would see your success, and learn your methods, but yet change your methods to suit their needs. WTF? Why would they change anything? They see your results, they come to you for advice, then they go off and change your advice.

Is that why there isnt a slew of testimonials? Because they learned your advice and then for no real reason deviated from it?

THAT.....i dont buy.

 

OK. I guess I CAN answer that. Take for example his artt strategy. For best results, 4 or more denominations are required. For me, that requires $200 outlay for 5c-50c. I seem to have good luck with the bare minimum 3 denoms and a $100 outlay. My profits for each session range from $20 and upward and the royal NEVER hurts! Usually, it's $60-$200 wins a session and sometimes there's a loss. Sometimes I start another session and other times I just leave. Winning ANYTHING beats losing! AND, I might add, using his posted special plays sometimes make the difference- if not a win at least to get good enough hands to return to the lower denom and prolong the session enough to give a good hand a chance to happen. Soooooo, after getting the gist of the special plays I've created my own thru trial and error-nothing stupid, mind you.
His strategies are flexible enough to allow those who actually PAY ATTENTION to where they are in the strategy to use their God-given intellect.

 

It doesnt answer why there arent people like him with larger bankrolls than you who claim equal result using his exact methods without having to modify like you do.. Or people with bankrolls like yours who attain bigger bankrolls via consistent wins and can now play exactly like he suggests without having to modify based on low funds...where are they?

Going with the math, lone can calculate expected returns as gambling is math driven in the long run. HOWEVER on a given day, doing something stupid can cause a big win. And going by the math can give a big win as well.

The declaration that ..." i am not looking to push on a hand, I am looking for the quads or royal etc" can be used at roulette as well. You know "i dont want to bet black and get even money....I want to put my money on an individual number for each spin and get 35-1". Heck everyone wants to get 35-1. Does that make it a good strategy though? Just because your would rather win more....does that make it the best play. Everyone wans to win more.

 

How many people do you know that can or are willing to play the $1/$2/$5/$10/$25/$100 vp machines with a $172k bankroll? That's why they use what I teach--as a baseline that fits their own comfort zone, so they use bits & parts to formulate their own approach. The play strategy is denomination ratio-specific (ie, you MUST use the ratios between each step-up in denomination exactly as I've developed it) just as it requires 400 credits at each denomination, only playing certain games (BP to start, with SDBP to follow) along with 40-credit minimum soft-profit cashouts, and multiple mini-win goals scattered throughout. It is a very complex method, one that requires extreme mental preparation and ability. NOTE: A person could use 1c/2c/5c/10c/25c/$1 step-ups if they choose, only the pay tables are much worse at those levels which is why I advise against it. It also reduces the session win goal to just $25 minimum vs. the $2500 minimum I had.

As far as these testimonials--I keep in touch with over a hundred people I trained. Through the years a number of them have come on different forums to explain their experiences, yet they ALWAYS get insulted/chased away by the envious and the haters. A favorite tactic is to claim they're me in alias form. So you can see why they choose to stay away from this stuff. I was prepared for all the BS from the start. Most of these people aren't. Understand that for almost 8 years, I put the weekly hurt on all the self-proclaimed vp "AP's" with my column in Gaming Today, and they will never get over it. So they attack anywhere they can to scratch that unattainable itch they have over me.

About the distance from the job: it wouldn't have been unusual to sell a house in one place and move close to where the work was. However, it was never really on the table because my wife had over 30 years with the aerospace co. she worked at, and it would not have made sense to mess up her continued employment, pension and other retirement benefits for what I was doing. And remember, living apart during the week or whatever was not an option, since us being together more often was one of the main reasons I changed careers in the first place.

 

OK. I don't even care about defending myself. I answered to the best of my ability and am back to square one. The answer is SIMPLE. Do as I did and try one of the strategies at whatever denomination you can afford and if dissatisfied you can at least answer from EXPERIENCE that it is a farce. Again, I'm outta here for good- I've grown weary of assumptions. I could understand people who actually TRIED a strategy for about 3 sessions- which is probably less than they play normally - critiquing a strategy, but this armchair quarterback style of advice baffles me.

 

its not an attack, although you are acting as if it is. Its reasonable questions. Like why arent there testimonials of people who followed his method exactly and received the same results. If a method is sound, then someone with a smaller bankroll than RS, could slowly build it up toget to his level, and then reproduce or exceed his results.

Another question....is RS banned from any casinos for his excessive wins?

 

Larry, sling's a recreational player who only chooses to play at the lower denoms even though he can afford to play much higher. Most players I've advised are similar. Only a professional would think about playing as I have at the denoms I have.

You mentioned "building up a bankroll" a few times. That's not what I did, and anyone who wants to play just as my strategy dictates would need the gaming-only bankroll to begin with.

I have played at every major casino and some smaller ones throughout Nevada. I did and still do that for the specific purpose of not getting too much scrutiny. I am not an "advantage player" who only plays FPDW or runs to the casinos whenever they have lucrative-sounding promotions, so I basically run under the radar as much as I can. And I'm not a believer in there being "casino managers lurking on message boards" to glean information on strong players--except for the one time in 2005 on LVA Sports when a manager at Venetian accurately pointed out how much I was ahead of them on the vp machines.

I was banned from playing vp at Harrahs LV & Bellagio in the mid-2000's, and I published the Bellagio letter in my column. I am currently blocked from using a slot club card at the Eldorado in Reno, and Casino Fandango in Carson City wants nothing to do with me any longer. (The latter two were not in writing). I've found that the majority of casinos don't really care if you win a small 6-figure amount at their place over the course of a few to a dozen number of years, esp. because I'm not dumb enough to run to their machines every time they have some silly promo that the AP's theoretically calculate to be over 100%. In fact, I can win at any casino I go to on any vp machines they have, as long as they have the games I play in my strategy. That nice little winner you see to the left--I hit that at Wynn while clearing over $90k a little over 2 years ago, and I still get offers from them to go back. And at the opposite end, I'm up over $100k at Sam's Town over a 10+ year period, and I'm welcome to go back there also. At the same time we have these self-absorbed AP's whining about how they've been "backed off" from places like that, when they have nothing to back any of it up. They do it for perception, and the "gurus" say these things in order to build up sales of their vp-related trinkets.

 

One wonders where Rob came up with $60,000 to throw down on this play in 1999 when he had already lost $250,000 in the late nineties and also filed for bankruptcy.

 

Mickey you've done your part exposing "RobSinger" as a fraud. Want a way to really bother him let's stop responding to him. Just ignore him for a few days he will just leave here. This predator thrives on these forums let's cut him off

 

You mentioned "building up a bankroll" a few times. That's not what I did...>>>


Whether you did or not, that is a reasonable way for someone to get to your bankroll size if they have low funds. You said that lower bankroll people adjust your methods to suit the lower bankroll. Remember I asked why there arent alot of people giving testimonials of also winning large amounts of money...and you said they change things round to suit their bankroll. So my comment was that THEY(NOT YOU) could take their small bankroll, build it up to your starting point through their repeated winning sessions....and once they get to your starting bankroll....then no excuse can be given about them not getting to your bankroll and therefore not being able to exactly follow your method.

So its not about you using the increasing bankroll method. Its about others. Maybe I wasnt clear.

So I asked this of John Patrick in a similar fashion, as he has had wide exposure for his methods, wider than yours, as he has also had TV shows for years...yet if you look at his website. ...its a desert.....look through thousands of posts and no one is claiming a lifetime of profits, Its all very vague. And certainly no one on his has achieved full time gambling status(includng himself who has always . People claim consistent wins, but their lifestyle does not corroborate that.

So I ask the same with you. Yes, I can accept as true, screen shots of big wins. But I have no idea of the losses. I can show a picture of a ticket where i won 8k on a one dollar tri box horse racing....but honestly I am not ahead. I can accept that the Bellagio didnt like all your wins there, yet I have noidea that in the same year, MGM didnt clean your clock.

Its all so vague and . Almost like a religion where you just have to
believe. I know the deal as Patricks methods are equaly a religion to the followers, as he provides no proof for his claims.

 

Larry, a lot has to do with comfort zone. I remember one week having $600 and asked the best strategy to give a shot with this bankroll and he suggested my favorite artt strategy at 5c-$1. Well, after I had put my third $100 in I noticed a little uneasiness with my decision and after hitting a quad for $80 profit, I was really relieved. Of course if I had hit a special quad, I would have been ecstatic. Another reason is the Single Play Strategy is NOT a strategy you just sit down and start relaxing and dancin' on the buttons. I had an hour and a half to pass before picking up my wife and thought for "funsies" I would give it a shot, starting at nickels. Well, long story short- after an hour- and after watching one of the longest cold cycles ever, I was +$30 and hadn't gotten past 10c. I realized this strategy was for the serious and those who enjoy satisfying their need to play without losing. Just sayin'.

 

Regarding what others do in regards to "building a bankroll": From the hundreds I've trained & advised over the years, there's only been one individual I've come across who's had any interest in climbing to the level of play similar to mine. What you're not seeing is the vast majority of players lose regularly, and they've come to me to learn a method of play that gives them a better opportunity to win and enjoy that play at the same time. That one player I mentioned has a lot more money than I do and he plays as I do even today, but he's a man in his mid-80's and has nothing to do with computers etc. The others either don't, or they are not interested in climbing that ladder. If they have repeated winning sessions of $25 or greater, they use it to enhance their lives and not to build a gambling bankroll. Most people are the same.

I've heard of John Patrick but have never bothered to read anything more than his name since I am not looking for a better method. Is he a vp player?

Certainly, anyone who claims to win at gambling can only do as such, and then expect the doubters and the critics and even the envious (just in case it's true, because these are the true losers in gambling and more than likely--in life) to chime in as soon as they hear about it. I am not beyond that. But I believe I have a far more meaningful message about how to win consistently at vp, because I'm not out there selling vp trinkets, services, or charging for advice & training like every one of the rest of the game's gurus. I spent years posting about my weekly winning in Gaming Today, and there were so many hate calls into the managing editor that I was required to supply them with all of my millions in W2G's so they could shove the calls back into the angry AP's faces.

But none of that eliminated the chance that I stayed on and lost it all and more from the minds of the critics, just as you said. No one knows, just as no one really knows what anyone else does unless they spend every hour of every day with them. That's why when this clown AP Fezzik went on the Larry Grossman show and called me a liar, I came back (around 2005) and publicly challenged him and the idiots at Huntington Press to a $640k cash bet (the amount I was ahead in my pro career at the time) that I could absolutely prove my winnings, by showing my contemporaneous gambling logs, my tax returns, my IRS audit reports, and my bank withdrawal/re-deposit statements just before and immediately after each trip to Nevada....and if there were still any doubts at all then I'd pay for a court appointed arbitrator, who's decision would be final and irrevocable. There was no way I would lose, and I put the cash escrow up with the casino manager at the Casuarina Casino. This was all a front page story in GT that the publisher re-named "Gaming Today Columnist Throws Down The Gauntlet". It also appeared in the Sun, as I had them ready to follow the entire challenge from beginning to end.

Fezzik etc. checked on my escrow and of course ran away as fast as they could, choosing instead to continue their lies and criticisms from the safety of behind their computers. Just as you see here with mickey and his silly alias.

So I agree--no gambler has ever proven anything so there will always be the doubters & haters. But no one has ever offered to do what I have either, at least in the video poker world. Even the vp-AP's like Bob Dancer only say "hey--I play with an advantage so I obviously win" (gee, now THAT'S the proof we all wanted to see....) even though he claims to beat the same places every year for 15 years out of 10's of thousands every year, and they have no problems with that. It doesn't take much to see right thru everything he says, esp. since he has a vp business to support and an ex-wife that made him pay for being the jerk of the century.

I had a web site, vptruth.com, that was no desert for 10 years. It had everything on it, including cumulative figures, my articles, my entire life's history, etc. I had no advertising or pop-up ads and I made nothing from it. It was just an expense meant for educating anyone interested. The only thing I made some cash off of was the books, and as everyone knows that's not the same amount Bill O'Reilly makes off of his.

 

Jerry Logan everybody !!

 

Singer has way slowed down on posting here. Larry'so questions were to tough on him.

 

So the reason 99 percent of your followers dont want to make 100k a year, or more money than 25 dollars a session is what?
What is it....are they afraid of hurting the poor casino. Is it that they dont want to make too much money.

I get a kick out of gamblers who tell me they have a method that wins conistently, but then "they are happy with small wins".

WTF.....having a method that works, and being happy with small wins dont jive.

If you have a method that works consistently, then you want to win as much as you can. Hell quit the day job and just win win win.

But these people(followers of the experts) claim their guru gives them a method for consistent wins.....but then again they are just happy to make 25 dollars a session. Why? because its all about the "fun"