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Roulette Roulette systems do not "work"

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by RouletteGhost, Apr 6, 2018.

  1. RouletteGhost

    RouletteGhost Well-Known Member

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    lets define "work"

    when we say roulette systems do not work we mean collectively between all players, OR in "the long run"

    so If player A plays a silly system everyday "hit and run" and wins every single day OR wins more than he loses and is UP after 5 years, can we tell that person systems do not work? worked for him

    when we say it doesn't work I think we mean the math does not work....its negative expectation every bet

    I continue to test and play systems...why? I found certain betting strategies fair better than random betting...sure, same house edge and same chances but in many years i have found certain betting styles beat out random betting....

    knowing full well i can lose at anytime to the house

    i say this:

    Any and all methods will lose long term due to the house edge


    What system players do is play in a unique way with a set of rules to hit a target and quit

    No matter what you test long term it will fail. It is called the house edge and unfair payout

    That’s why the true time wasters are the ones testing millions of spins.

    That’s why some of us bet against patterns at times we know it is likely we will win but must stop before the house edge catches up

    It’s called playing for a statistically irrelevant number of spins


    In my opinion the true "time wasters" are those that code bots and test a million spins...why? we know the outcome, the house edge wins......
     
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  2. RouletteGhost

    RouletteGhost Well-Known Member

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    The point is that most know the odds are not changed..so those that seek to prove what we already know is a waste of time

    When people play and win win win and you tell them it "does not work" is a bit silly
     
  3. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Then why do you play pattern breaker when you know it's a fool's folly? Why not just pick the numbers at random?

    Logic...it's always miSSinG isn't it! Lol!

    By the way, I don't test systems for gazillions of spins because I don't suck at math. I already know what works and what doesn't work.

    I'm really not trying to make you look stupid. You already excel at it without my help.
     
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  4. RouletteGhost

    RouletteGhost Well-Known Member

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    apparently you either did not read what i wrote or you have a mental block

    I agree that all systems fail over a million spins

    read. what. i. wrote.

    i mean it is very apparent you did not read my words.
     
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  5. RouletteGhost

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    system players are successful because they follow a rule, and then quit...avoiding "long term"

    the million spin testers waste their time because we know it will fail over that number of spins

    Im just calling a spade a spade

    when you say it "does not work" you mean over the long run not in the now.....so I can do something for years successfuly and you will call me stupid and tell me it cant work, meanwhile it has been working...it just does not make sense....

    now i know if i sit and play continuously i will lose, because of the math

    I hope you see what I am getting at...telling people something does not work when it is working....not talking about the long run...

    surely you understand, and im not calling you shirley
     
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  6. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    No, actually they're not successful.

    Reread the last paragraph of my previous post. Read it like you do the instructions on a shampoo bottle.
     
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  7. RouletteGhost

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    i understand that nothing beats the house edge

    not beating the odds and the house edge is NOT the same as "it not working"
     
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    Lets say I play a stupid system....for 5 years...3 times a week with $100 units....i play for one win and quit....i have won $300 a week for 5 years

    you would naturally say "it does not work its a fools folly"

    why?
     
  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Luck doesn't care about your system. It doesn't care about when you hit or how fast you run.
     
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  10. RouletteGhost

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    I understand that

    I get the math

    I get the negative expectation on every spin

    But if i play hit and run and am UP over the years why do you say "it does not work" are you talking over the long term? what do you mean exactly?
     
  11. RouletteGhost

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    i am just trying to understand...because if you mean that playing a million spins in a row it fails id agree with you...but I myself do not do that
     
  12. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Ghost,

    Put 3800 hit and run players in the casino. At the end of the day, the net result is that the house still won more than the players and there were more losers than winning players.
     
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    (lol), you get so mad. Calm down. I had a **GREAT** week at the casino. One of my best. Feeling good.

    Ken
     

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