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Roulette Single Dozen

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by baccarou, Aug 3, 2023.

  1. baccarou

    baccarou Active Member

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    I like to go back and read a lot of old posts on all the various different forums and the one thing that seems to get talked about the least is the Single Dozen (there is only one long running thread by Palestis over at Roulettlife that I can think of on the single dozen)

    Whenever you read anything about the dozens, it's nearly always covering two of them for a 2/3 coverage less the zero/s. Having studied and played around with ideas for the single dozen, I don't think that they should be left out of a players arsenal as too risky a bet compared to playing two of them or even an EC bet.

    What struck me was how it's basically 2 against 1 that you are going to get a change of dozen on the next spin. Taking that into account means you are getting paid 2/1 for picking one of the two alternate dozens from the one that's just appeared. Now of course, the one that has just appeared doesn't just magically disappear and has a 1 in 3 chance of appearing again on the very next spin and so it is going to take some strategic play to decide when to go looking for one of those other two dozens.

    There are pointers to be had from the strategic plays a lot of us use for the EC. One in particular is the chop.

    34 3rd doz
    23 2nd doz
    35 3rd doz
    14 2nd doz
    30 3rd doz
    14 2nd doz
    28 3rd doz
    24 2nd doz
    35 3rd doz

    In the above example, dozen 1 is absent which as we know about dozens, they can go AWOL for 10/20/30 spins at a time. Here, we can see the alternating dozens in action as well and so combined with the chop effect, it creates a nice little passage of play getting paid out at 2/1 for a chop effect as opposed to 1/1 on the EC.

    So straight off the bat, that's one useful tactic to use when playing the single dozens and there are many more.

    As regards to money management for single dozens, you could use the Divisor plan or JK's string approach. They are both flexible and don't reach the stratosphere before you know what hit you.
     
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    Good thread, hopefully it gets some traction.
    From just the simple example you have given there are some nice obvious combination bets that could be placed to “semi” maximise that particular set of numbers/positions until it’s no longer available.
    And yes it’s not always about chasing the position that hasn’t appeared for x amount spins, the smart money is obtained before x has run its course.
    Nice work , cheers
     
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    Screen shot of using it to select bets from single dozens for each spin.

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    BTW, when a dozen is sleeping the remaining two active dozens become 50/50 even chance bets that as has already been pointed out pay 2 to 1. But even more interesting is something I told Spike way back in the gambler's Glen days. You can hedge the bet. You can bet 2 units on the dozen that you think will win and 1 unit of the other. So if you miss, your 1 unit bet breaks even and covers all bets. But if you win you win the total amount bet on the two awake dozens. So as long as the sleeping dozen remains sleeping it becomes a win or lose nothing bet selection. Spike really liked this feature of single dozen betting. When you win you win 3 units. When the other dozen wins you break even. But when you lose because the dozen wakes up you just lose the same 3 units like in an EC.

    Some people could get really good at finding the sleeping dozen or the chop sequences.
     
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    I couldn't agree more with this comment.

    Some numbers from today.

    14 2nd doz
    23 2nd doz
    18 2nd doz
    30 3rd doz
    02 1st doz
    30 3rd doz
    21 2nd doz
    29 3rd doz
    15 2nd doz
    29 3rd doz
    16 2nd doz
    11 1st doz
    12 1st doz
    02 1st doz
    11 1st doz
    02 1st doz
    07 1st doz
    16 2nd doz

    I will run through them again and add S for Same Dozen or D for Different dozen

    14 2nd
    23 2nd Same
    18 2nd Same
    30 3rd Different
    02 1st Different
    30 3rd Different
    21 2nd Different
    29 3rd Different
    15 2nd Different
    29 3rd Different
    16 2nd Different
    11 1st Different
    12 1st Same
    02 1st Same
    11 1st Same
    02 1st Same
    07 1st Same

    Again, using some of the same tactics we use for the EC, you can see the FTL (follow the last) is working nicely here.
    There is a chop run (dozens 2 and 3 between the 6th and 11th spin) Dozen 1 appears 6 times consecutively between spins 12 and 17.

    Other times you can see a chop between Same and Different. This acts as a kind of 'terrible two's scenario' in the dozens.

    As an example.

    12 1st
    23 2nd Different
    18 2nd Same
    32 3rd Different
    25 3rd Same
    11 1st Different
    10 1st Same

    The easiest route here is to bet for the Same result which is going to be a repeat of the previous dozen.

    There is certainly enough action going on to be able to hunt out single dozen opportunities.
     
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    I ran your list through my chart list for dozens, columns, and pet groupings and got this:

    Code:
    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P | 
    |    X    |    X    | X       |   | -- 14
    |    X    |    X    |    X    |   | -- 23
    |    X    |       X |       X | P | -- 18
    | X       |    X    | X       | P | -- 2
    |       X |       X |    X    |   | -- 30
    |    X    |       X |       X |   | -- 21
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   | -- 29
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   | -- 15
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   | -- 29
    |    X    | X       |    X    |   | -- 16
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P | -- 11
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 12
    | X       |    X    | X       | P | -- 2
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P | -- 11
    | X       |    X    | X       | P | -- 2
    | X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
    
    By looking down the chart you can see things in visual dexterity.
     
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    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here it is in a picture in case it does not line up correctly:

    visDex.png

    visDex.png
     
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    Thanks Gizmo, personally speaking, I prefer to look at things like this visually and you can certainly get a good snapshot of what's going on.
    I don't play online anymore because of all the hassle with the responsible gambling crusade they have here in the UK at the moment and so have to go down the old fashioned pen and paper route at the B+M places near me.

    One thing that I have started doing especially playing roulette is just writing down every second spin to give me a bit of extra time. It doesn't make any difference to the actual results and I suppose it's what some people refer to as your own personal permanence. It's great if you are the only one at the table or just one of a few and the dealer decides to try and break the land speed record for roulette spins. If you wanted to be really cheeky, you could ask them to spin a bit faster. It does give you that bit of extra time so that you can see things clearly and don't make too many mistakes.
     
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    When I'm alone I ask them to wait a bit so that I can get my bets down. I prefer to play on tables where it's typically the weekend and the table is crowded with players to pay out. That gives me time enough to make my mind up. And adding the racehorse effect to a big winner also adds to needing even moret time. Instead of taking the full win I lay half of it on the top three horses to win. That's after I have made my session goal. I just watch for a swarm of horses running way out front. The combination of easy RR Ec's and the global effect of racehorses is too good to pass up. I mean you owe it to yourself to take the money for all those years that the casino took it from you learning all this stuff.
     
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    Have either of you considered the stadium play format with live dealers at the brickyard casinoverse? That is like a continuous play situation but not rng. You get roughly 40 seconds ( in skipptophia that amount of time you can skin a cat ) and you don’t have to bet until you are ready. Highly recommend live dealer stadiums play. It’s about 1 spin plus results/ payouts per 65 seconds, you can safely say 1 spin/results in 80 seconds on average across the course of the day/nite 8 hours shift.
    Here in skipptophia we have complete morons dealing at the stadium, baccarat and roulette and the often make many mistakes that require intervention from pit bosses etc. But that’s a small ish price to pay for free spins/dealt hands. Etc.
    Give it a try if you can. Cheers
     
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    Boy, look at those RR characteristics in that picture above. It's an instruction manual for RR.
    ABC has singles on the weak side and dominance on the B's. There are two instances of a single dozen occuring 6 times in a row. You can hang a long shot progressive positive bet "Up & Pull" bet and take off a huge win when they are lurking around. There are 5 instances of three in a rows too. Imagine just what you can get from three single dozen's winnings from a parlay, $50 becomes $150, $150 becomes $450, and $450 becomes $1,350 all in around five minutes. That's 27 attempts just to break even. The casino is in fact a gold mine to those trained in the skills of mining it.

    It's logic like this that will make the casinos ghost towns. All that will be left are the AI cheating online casinos.

    For just $1 you can dream. The Lotto is up to over a billion dollars this next time out. What would you do with a billion dollars? I would hire a crew to introduce the MTML browser and its file format. That should rake in an additional billion for sure. Imagine people becoming topic miners, subjective and topical law libraries, medical journals, daily newspapers, inventory catalogs, and all with individual concept based construct libraries. Just think of this. You use the power of your computer's or tablet's own memory to configure your own interest group's website knowledge base. You could break up the RR thread and introduce it as an MTML file. In fact I can do that now. That's a way to introduce MTML. It would force people to bata test the browser while teaching RR without all the clutter. Now that is a good idea. I can validate MTML and RR all in one shot.
     
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    I have only one to go to from the west coast of the USA. It's located in Lakeside, California. Now that's from just before the Covid-19 pandemic. I haven't checked out Vegas yet. I love those things. The Barona has an 80 seat card style stadium. They also have nine live Roulette tables. That casino sends out head hunters to gather and lure "whales" by offering them huge comp packages. They fly them in for free from Vegas. I've read stories. I've been meaning to do another trip. It starts as soon as the drugs wear off. Still can't concentrate yet.
     
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    Here, We have 2 different live wheels spinning simultaneously , 3 rng wheels spinning, plus 2 baccarat tables live, and 3 rng all accessible from the one terminal. Playing 2 roulette wheels at the same time is simply money in the bank once you are up to speed with the format you use. Incidentally for roulette your visual dexterity chart works wonders as more often than not there is only a few seconds gap between the 2 wheel spinning.
    Baccarat is different, live dealer can only deal one game at a time heaps of time to configure selection criteria, rng baccarat is nearly zero time gap and you are mostly playing 3 terminals simultaneously.
    I do stick to live dealer recently both roulette and baccarat. It’s good to play week days as you are assured of getting 3 terminals to yourself enabling you to mix and match as you see fit.
    You will enjoy the stadium but I would spend a few hours practicing once you first get there, familiarise yourself with the timing etc. then you should be good to go once you get the muscle memory in sync. cheers
     

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    Number one on my list is to get off of pain medications first.
     
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    This is so cool. Hit this on the first try with a single dozen. I had a bankroll of 27 first tries at this level.

    12Numbs3.png

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    So I was using $5 for the base flat bet and then went up to a three step $5, $10, and $20 up and pull bet to finish off the win streak.
     
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    Yep, it's great potential and one of the reasons why I prefer the single dozens in roulette nowadays. With experience, you can learn how to harvest the clusters. Losses will naturally come, however the recovery is not difficult for anyone with a bit of smarts about them.
     
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    What they have started doing here in the Genting UK casinos is to only have the electronic/airball roulette linked to the terminals and so if you want to play the live croupier operated wheels, you have to physically go up to the wheels. They still do live baccarat at the terminal however that comes from just one location as not many casinos here deal live baccarat which is a shame. When I asked my local casino why, the manager admitted that he didn't think a lot of the dealers would be able to get their head around the rules. So it's not much different here than in Oz in that respect.
     
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    That's a shame because if you are one of a few players the electronic airball wheels have the technology to target you. I've watched them take turns targeting players. They cheat and it's legal for them to cheat because these machines are ranked as slot machines. They can control where the ball lands.
     

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