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Discussion in 'Slots Forum' started by Mickey Crimm, Jun 3, 2017.

  1. Exoter175

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    Would you mind adding the "Mickey Rule" to that list so I don't have to deal with him replying 7 times to a single comment? I feel like that falls in line with #2 as well. Just as a future "thing" for him.
     
  2. AxelWolf

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    I wouldn't expect you to post up about it, that would just be dumb. I would not have even suggested there was anything good going on.

    I was talking about 10's of thousands in a short period time, a day or few days. For instance, a reputable online casino once doubled 00 and 7 on roulette, in just a few hours the casino lost over a million dollars. Some people made upward of 100k, as far as I know, Everyone paid.

    Ya, I know you don't play online(or at least that's what most people say including many AP's) I mention that one because it's been mentioned before

    There are many other examples of incredible promo situations in B&M casinos that have been worth way more than you can imagine. I don't like talking about too many past plays publicly, mainly because casinos tend to repeat other casinos mistakes. It also gives value players and other AP's ideas they wouldn't normally do or think of. Trust me, I'm 99% sure you yourself would be doing what you were doing if not for the information online and or others opening their mouths. Next, the thing you know they are competition and even posting up the information online while asking this and that(Hey, WIzzrd how do I play this 100k loss rebate at the Revel?). FOR FUCK SAKES.

    I'm not saying there isn't something good happening.
    What I'm trying to say is I'm fairly certain this won't go down in history as one of the biggest marketing fuckups in casino history.

    My question is.... Why are you wasting your time on here on the forum while one of the biggest marketing fuck ups is going on? You should clear at least a few hundred thousand, so who cares what MC or anyone says or thinks?
     
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  3. AxelWolf

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    Oh, I forgot to ask, what is the overall approximant percentage on the play? Are we talking 2% or less or are we talking 20%++?

    Include the fact that a person would have to first earn the highest tire level.
     
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  4. Mickey Crimm

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    In my last post I was civil, trying to honor admins request. Exo has no intention of honoring his request. He didn't follow the rules on WoV and he won't follow them here. Exo's last post reported to admin and all posts that follow, that contain insults will be reported.
     
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    Exoter175, we received a report about this post you made after we politely asked that our rules be respected, and have had to give you an infraction for violating our rule #1 again. This single infraction does nothing, but every 3 infractions, your access to the site will be automatically slowed down for a brief period of time which will grow with subsequent slowdowns (every 3 infractions) within a 6 month period. This acts as a deterrent to keep members from repeatedly violating our rules. So please do not violate our rules so that you avoid having your access to the site temporarily slowed down.

    Mickey Crimm, please try to keep your replies to one post without flooding a thread with multiple sequential posts as that can be considered a violation of Rule #2.

    We appreciate you being civil after our request. Please continue to be civil so that we don't have to give you an infraction as well. Thank you.
     
  6. RS

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    No way in hell would anyone allow for the opportunity for someone else to post up the biggest marketing fuck up (going on right now) just to show he's a better AP than someone else. If I had access to the biggest marketing fuck up going on right now, I wouldn't be arguing with ANYONE on a forum nearly 24/7 and I certainly wouldn't invite anyone to post info on that play. That has to be the most ludicrous thing imaginable to do.


    It's like those idiots who post about how they beat roulette or craps or any other game using some system. If you can beat such a game hands of fist, don't post about it. Go play it and crush 'em.
     
  7. Exoter175

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    And yet here Mickey is, telling the whole world on open forums how to beat casinos via slot machines.

    As am I.

    I can imagine a lot, Axel. Imagine getting a 100x multiplier for 9 hours at a casino already offering .5% back on their slotplay, and having a 1:1 VR machine at your disposal. I don't think I need to explain how much that play was worth, or how quickly that promotion was removed from that casino. I understand your point about people exposing the information, which is the same approach I've always taken with Mickey here for exposing machine information. The world doesn't need anymore low level APs, the population is already too much to sustain in some areas (RIP Vegas).
    Its at the level where various Blackjack teams have been tipped off to it and have begun cycling the exploit into what should be its final days here before long.

    Perhaps I spoke wrong, its not a "Fuckup" so much as an "oversight" by someone in an office somewhere who didn't think far enough ahead on their marketing adjustments while rolling out their new promotional structure and monthly promos. It is, however, ridiculously good money, wildly repetitive, and seriously profitable.

    The biggest boon is that its scalable, and that's why its all about to come crashing down now that everyone and their mother knows about it, and why I stopped nearly 6 weeks ago on it, hoping that when that axe comes down to all of those players, my name is left off the list.

    Because I came back here to post the emails between Norm and I for KJ and Admin, and in the time the discussion over those emails went on, Mickey went back to having a crush on me. Trust me, it wont last long, especially with Admin sending me an infraction for responding to Mickey in the same way he responds to me.

    The original version came out around $25.66 per $1 lost.
    The revised version came out around $8.54 per $1 lost.
    The current version comes out around $1.34 per $1 lost.

    Now these are base cashback figures, without multipliers which varies considerably. If one were to receive a 10x on the original version, you'd have made $256.60/$1 lost.

    Being civil and being tongue in cheek or two different things, Mickey. Also, a single post does not make you a changed poster, and I since Admin's going to slap my wrist for responding to your post insults after the fact, he's already setting my course out of this forum. I'm not going to have an argument with someone who has in the very recent past, called me every name int he book, and come back and act like it didn't happen. I'm certainly not going to adhere to a warning when reading this very thread, and every subset breakup thread they've created from it, has Mickey calling me names, and myself responding to them.

    If they don't want that kind of posting on their forum, they'd have removed you long ago, Mickey.

    The oil and water relationship of ours drives content and page views, they wouldn't dare do such a thing. Difference is that I'll leave if I feel I'm being reigned in, in any way, and that's exactly what's happening here. You're playing innocent boyscout right now, and its ridiculous.

    Should I go ahead and flood your inbox with post reports for Mickey Crimm, then? As he has with me? I understand the rules and procedures and all of that. I also understand the message you sent me a while back saying that you've now added new rules to the forum which have reigned Mickey Crimm in some, and they haven't. Is this to be a unilateral affair? Need I only report his posts?

    Unlike Mickey, you slow down or limit my access in any way, I walk. I certainly don't need to be here on this forum, as I've told you twice now. I'd suggest handling the problem as it is. Mickey and I cannot exist in a world where he's allowed to hound me, as he has. Like the bigger man, I always leave it be, and like the little, insolent man he is, he always becomes the aggressor. If you don't take care of him, I handle the situation myself by leaving your site for the second time in a year, for the very same, unattended reasons.

    Quit defending Mickey, Stoner. You know damned well he doesn't know about it, and you know damned well I'm baiting him just to prove a point.

    Similar to the idiots who post about advantage plays on internet, on an open forum for all to see, no?

    Sounds like you're arguing the same point I started off arguing with Mickey about.

    Communication between APs is fine, communication between APs and ploppies is not.
     
  8. Pia Toomingas

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    I not very familiar with slot machine but very interested to try and play one. (Tried once and got pissed)
    Would you guys give a shot list of how to choose and which to play?
    I will deeply appreciate it.
     
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  9. Mickey Crimm

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    Re: Safe Deposit Boxes. Exoter has said that only an idiot would keep money in a safe deposit box. For years I had boxes at the Horseshoe and Riverside/Laughlin. I didn't have to walk around everyday with the cash but it was easily accessible with no red tape when a juicy play and/or promotion came up. It made me a lot more money than keeping it in a bank or investing it in something. I once tried to get a box at the Bellagio poker room and found they had a long waiting list to get a box. I guess all those poker players were idiots too.

    Re: Recording Stats. Per the usual I got called a liar by a certain individual after I went to the effort to take the pictures and post them up hear. This is a recurring theme. No matter what I do or say I get called a liar. There will be no more digging out of information and posting it here just to get called a liar again. That's over with.

    For the life of me I can't figure out how you would know you are making a profit on a game if you are not tracking the cost versus payoff. Exoter doesn't know the average cost of spinning off a JR play....and he doesn't know the average bets earned in the free games. How in the hell would you know you are making an overall profit if you are not tracking the cost and payoff? As I figured, and in his own words, he learned the play from others who told him what to play.

    Re: The biggest fuckup. There have been lots of plays I didn't know about until they were over. And a lot of plays I never knew about. The same can be said of Exoter and anyone else. No one can get around to everything. If he's making money on some fantastical play I'm happy for him. But that doesn't mean I should have known about it or even care about it. But even if I knew there was some great play going down in some region of the country I have to do a cost/benefit analysis. Is it worth it for me to give up my earn here to go somewhere else for some kind of earn? I'm pretty happy in my own world. The way he worded it then it sounds to me that he didn't hear about this play while it was still juicy but found out about it after the amount of money to be won dwindled down. But I'll leave exoter with his own words "the burden of proof is on the one making the outrageous claims." That's his words but I don't really expect him to out the play. And I won't be putting up any more proof of anything here just so I can get called a liar again. If you don't believe what I say I don't care.

    Re: The 91.7% chip thing. Exoter has pointed out that when a casino says they pay out 96% that it is just an average. Some machines higher and some machines lower. Yes, I've known this for years. In the case of the Royal River Casino in South Dakota the advertisements I read said each and every machine in the casino has at least a 96% return, including penny line games. That means chips were made in that range. I also know of 94% chips for penny line games. There are some advantage plays on these games so I won't be divulging where they are. If anyone thinks it's an outrageous claim I don't care and don't bug me to put up information on it.

    Re: Knowledge. When I said I have more knowledge than exoter I was talking about overall machine knowledge. I'm sure he has me outgunned on line game stuff. I've only worked a half dozen or so line games in the past nine years. So I give it to him that he holds more knowledge of plays in this area than me. But I have him far outgunned at video poker, video keno, and video blackjack. I'm an overall machine pro. And when I said Montana is cutting edge I was talking about video keno. There are video keno games in Montana that don't exist anywhere else and they are knew and modern games. Shack calls them bizarre. IGT makes the most boring video keno games in existence. I can't believe how far behind the times they are in this area. Other manufacturers/game designers have them far outgunned in this area and the ploppies flock to those games.

    Exoter has said he doesn't play uncapped progressives. I find that unusual, especially since he has a team. Historically, there have been uncapped progressives that were highly lucrative. I don't know what exists along the Mississippi River area that he works but I would sure be giving them an inspection if I were there.
     
  10. Exoter175

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    And only an idiot would keep his money in a safety deposit box where it is not insured. On top of this, only an idiot would keep his money stashed away like this where he has no access to it.

    Rather, perhaps a drunk or a problem gambler would do this so that they didn't lose it all on a drunken night of gambling. Any reasonable "professional" AP would not do this either, largely because of the lack of access and lack of insurance.

    I suppose there's an argument for an "AP" doing this if they weren't reporting their income, which is illegal, but if an interested party were to come looking, they'd know about your safe deposit box either way, so this seems even more foolish.

    Keeping a bankroll stashed at a casino is very different than at the bank in a safe deposit box. First, the casino insures it. Second, the amount of money is declared, thus making a paper trail. Setting up 24/7 access to your money is wholly different than holding it in some bank in Montana only open from 9-5, Monday-Saturday.

    Please don't pretend to be a poker pro, Mickey.

    Its a recurring theme because you make claims like how you document all plays, that you've had over 2,000 plays on JR, and then your "proof" looks like it was just put together last night and only has 100ish details, rather than the 2,000 you claim.

    The claims you make, never add up.

    Because you are one. Now, they aren't grand lies by any means, Mickey. I know you're a hustler, I know you've made money, I know you're likely a lifelong winner. I know this because I TOO am one. Something you've attempted to discredit me with since day 1 while I've shot holes through your stories in return. Simply talking to another individual based on their experience, knowledge, and the decisions they make, you can tell whether they are lying, what they are lying about, and what they are holding back.

    You, Mickey, are always telling "tall tales" in search of the limelight. The truth is, nobody gives a shit, most people won't ever believe that we make money inside of the casino in the first place, and those that do know (like myself), get mildly irritated that you're even talking about them in the first place. I know I'm not alone in that, because RS himself in this thread suggested the same thing, and Axel and I have talked about it more than once privately.

    By that same regard, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt Axel's the bigger breadwinner between you two, Mickey, because he has the sense in mind to privately discuss things, rather than blab about them so openly.

    What's over with? You being called a liar in defense of the claims you make against me, or you putting up "information" on a forum?

    I seriously don't believe either of those two will happen anytime soon, Mickey, because the thing you care most about is Fame, the thing I care most about is Money, those two points I don't believe anyone would disagree with, I'm at least willing to accept myself for who I am and my own nature. I focus on the bottom line because I don't want to be working when I turn 50, Mickey. I'm half your age, maybe less than half. Unlike you at my age, I'm focused on setting myself up for an early retirement, for life. At my age, you were doing drugs, drinking alcohol, and telling your secrets to guys like ZenGrifter back in the old days.

    Oh yeah, he told us a story on Discord about you and those Piggy Bankin machines, and how you were excited as all hell to make a quarter.

    You're still not grasping this concept that I simply don't track it the way you do, because I view the game inherently different as you do. Each tile is independent and to track them as all being the same is unwise, and I'm being exceptionally kind with my wording there.

    On top of this, you haven't even discovered the exploit to the game, and its glaringly obvious. The exploit is what makes that game worthwhile.


    First of all, why do you always argue like this as if you're arguing to the court? This isn't a court of your peers Mickey, and you're not laying out evidence for a judge. You're acting like this is all one grand spectacle, proving my point that you do this for attention and fame, rather than give a shit about the rest of us who make our living this way. But again, I'll clear up your confusion.

    I do not track each game the same. A 5th reel top is different than a 5th reel middle. A 4th reel top is different than a 4th reel middle. The combination of a top 4th and 5th is different than a middle 4th and top 5th. Each individual tile has its own odds on being broken. I can't tell you those odds because I simply, and neither do you, do not have that kind of information available to me. You can't simply sit back and watch the machine for a few hours or for a few plays and factor in the number of times a symbol lands in that specific spot, and then extrapolate, simply because this isn't a mechanical reel like Mickey was accustomed to watching in the old days. Instead of 16,000 combinations, we now deal with 2.4 million combinations. I don't have that kind of time. In doing so, trying to track these games in a sense of bets per play, or however mickey wishes to track them, is ill advised. Again, each tile is individual from one another, each has different line pays going through each one, thus giving them vastly different odds to be broken. On top of this, as I state again, you don't know the exploit to the game, which implies that you would be less successful at breaking that last tile than I would be, making you have to spend much more time expending wagers to break it than I will.

    Lastly, how do you calculate something if you don't have the values to calculate from?

    You are correct, it doesn't mean you should have known about it. Having said that, if you had access to the APs that I do, the experience that I have, the knowledge that I have, and work as many hours as I have, you'd have known, you'd have been involved. You aren't, though, because you'd have known exactly what I was talking about and sent me PM about it to answer. You haven't.

    Its available in your region of the country, and it was, at one point, insanely profitable. You didn't need to run a cost benefit analysis (watch tv much?) to figure it out. ANY and ALL APs who have even touched the platform knew the second they set eyes on it, that it was a goldmine. This tells me the following about you.

    1. You are not in contact with many APs, likely meaning they don't trust you.
    2. You are not working the hours that I work, or you'd have ran into it.
    3. You do not travel nearly as much as I do around the country
    4. You are incapable of quickly discerning profitability simply by doing mental math.

    Yes, it was. And you just made the claim just the other day that you were on the road, so this makes your question moot.

    Are you? You just the other day talked about being on the road, meaning you are not in your world any longer, assuming that my version of "on the road" is no different than yours, which you've tried to claim many times that they are similar. You've also talked about being away for weeks "on the road" so this makes your commentary about being "happy in my own world" irrelevant and moot again.

    Or that I've removed myself from the play early because I fear that the axe will soon be swinging. I don't know a soul who has worked this situation as long as I have in terms of Date to Date, but I know dozens who have put in more hours on it than I have.

    I like the long game, mickey. I'm not one to squeeze a casino for a million dollars in one night unless its going to be gone the next day. If its available, nationwide, and exploitable, I'm playing the long game with it because I can squeeze better, more secure profit out of it in the long term.

    If you ran $5k worth of slotplay into your account every day for 365 days, you're going to be in more trouble than with the casino, Mickey. Huge difference between a guy like me and a fake like you. I play a calculated game where being risk averse is a major factor. Being banned across the country or going to jail is not in list of things I"m willing to accept as a punishment. Obviously your life story is different, as you've admittedly posted about the fact that you've done some dumb shit, cared little about your life, and broken the law a hundred or more times. We are not the same, You and I.

    Here I am to call you a liar, again. If you didn't care, you wouldn't make this claim. Psychologically speaking, as you've now become a professor on psychology over night, this is you pretending not to care, as if in some way showing to others that my opinion of you and your stories somehow doesn't affect you in any way. Your posts and posting habits argue against such a claim, however, because you've been willing to fight with me over nonsense since the first day that I came in and tried to talk to you as one AP would to another. The second someone else invades "your" space, you get aggressive and defensive.

    Never minding thee fact that you, yourself, started this issue with me, Mickey, and you yourself haven't apologized or made right by it. You've attacked me openly since day 1 calling me a phony. Even Axel himself, whom everyone believes is the better AP on all of the forums, at least gives me "some" credit as he feels me out, because he can likely tell from my discussions, and my penchant for getting on your ass about not making shit public, that I'm an actual AP, making an actual living. Whether he values me above any other, doesn't matter. He at least recognizes it, and there's a general respect there between APs. A respect unlike you've shown me, telling me that you're not quite the AP you make yourself off to be on this and every other forum. By this point its very clear that you aren't taking me up on that wager for 20k, and its not because I've been unreasonable in any way, its because you're scared.

    Then why did you make the claim about Royal River being 96% and then saying, "someone makes the chips"?

    Back pedal more, you ignorant liar.

    And you read that wrong, get some glasses. I was just there, and in Larchwood, Iowa right down the road from it.

    No, it means you read the advertisement wrong.

    No you don't, prove a single one to me, from the manufacturer.

    Also, before you angle shoot, we're talking "reel" games, not penny line VP/BJ/etc. Your vague terminology gives you a lot of wiggleroom at times.

    Points of interest here, folks, the manufacturer (Aristocrat, Ainsworth, IGT, etc) are the only ones able to set the % return for the Eprom (the name of the chip). Licensed technicians may replace the Eproms, and some have diagnostic access to them in various jurisdictions, but nobody other than a technician from the manufacturer themselves can alter the return %.

    You have a history of putting all you know on the forum, openly. Why would anyone bug you about it? You're just going to post about it later.

    To which you, nor anyone else on this forum possesses.

    Considering there's hundreds of them to choose from that can be AP'd, for the last nine years, this tells us that your experience and knowledge is comparable small, then.

    Also, your terminology is dated.

    Color me shocked, there's got to be a "but" coming.

    And there it is, there's the but.

    But, let me clarify something for you. You do not have me outgunned on VP, certainly not VBJ by any means. Keno I will absolutely give to you, as that is the only legitimate game you've ever showed me that I've ever not known about. You are one of two APs on the planet who have shown me a game I didn't know about, the downside is that those games are only available in your state, making them rather irrelevant to me, as you've admittedly stated that they take weeks, if not months to build, so while valuable as a "play", they are worth like, 52 cents a day in the long term average, not something I'm going to get out of bed for in the morning.

    You are, though you're behind the times significantly due to the fact that you don't travel as much as I do, or put the hours in like I do.

    These are things you've lied about, that I've called bullshit on in the past. I get it, you're old and want to run with the "young guys", but being a wise old man would certainly have been more beneficial to us all than a prickly cactus of a shrewd, out of touch old man. If you'll remember, for a long time I put up with your nasty attitude because I believed that one day we would meet and I'd change your mind, and we could be at least friendly, if not friends. You spat in my face for it, as you have since day 1.

    Getting back to the "machine pro" this is where we differ, though. I'm not just a machine pro, though I'm undoubtedly ahead of the game on everyone "overall". I don't draw the line there. I count cards, I slam promotions and marketing work, VP, Poker tournaments, you name it. If there's an angle I can exploit, I'll find the best way to do it, and do it if I find its profitable enough.

    For you, Mickey, its Point A to Point B. For me, its A->B->C->D->A. It all comes full circle. I'm young, unlike yourself. For me its about taking as much money out as I can, and reinvesting it to grow it again. I don't need more than a 25k bankroll for blackjack and Poker, and honestly most of the machine/VP stuff doesn't require it either, with respect to a few denominations of course. Most of the day to day operations stuff requires less than $20, and by the end of the day I'll probably always be between $3xx-$4xx and be in a different state the next day. What you might do with that money differs from what I'll do. I'll take all of that profit and deposit it as soon as I can, from there, it'll either go towards my business, my investments, or my savings. I honest to god can't think of what you do with it. I'm not an old man, I've never been in your shoes, but I know what I'm putting my money into. Long term, risk averse growth. By the time I'm 50, I plan to be retired, kick my feet up, own a few houses across the country so I can "snowbird" my way from Michigan to Florida year after year. I don't know what your plan is, because you don't speak of your plans or your ambitions. The only things you ever speak about are the "olden days" or to talk shit about me because you have a dislike for my passionate responses to your bullshit.

    Sorry, bud, but as my friend Uncle Luke would say, "You aint gotta lie to kick it".

    Wrong, they are not cutting edge, their technology isn't new or fresh. They are designed around the Montana gaming regulations as regulated by the state.

    They exist nowhere else because nowhere else would have them. Everywhere else is allowed to pay more than $800, and wager more than $2.

    This foolish idea that they are "cutting edge" makes you sound and look like a fool. The inability to identify this as being anything other than what it is, is a serious misrepresentation of your "profound knowledge".

    One only needs to look at Montana regulations to figure out why they are the way they are. One only needs to play the game to find out that it is in fact, not cutting edge.

    As a matter of fact, I think anyone who knows about gaming in general, especially those who even know a "little" about machine games, might just have a chuckle at the usage of "Keno" and "Cutting edge" in the same sentence.

    Grandmas are out here throwing up because of 3D gaming technologies on the floors of these casinos, and you're bragging about what is effectively no different than the results of last night's lottery drawing.

    Unbelievable.

    They are, nice name drop, though.

    Keno itself is boring. But I do know people who would disagree that IGT makes the most boring versions of them.

    The amount of R&D done on this disagrees with you. 3D gaming, skill based gaming, stylish, sleek cabinets, popular themes, all have people flocking to them, not some bullshit, boring as fuck "lottery style" game like Keno.

    They might be flocking there, because they only have 20 machines per facility, and because that before the new cabinets there, Keno was one of the most dominant games on the prevous cabinets, like an IGT/GK multi-game unit might. Most people who go to a casino to play, don't want to think. Can you think of anything other than a slot machine on those cabinets that might give them that same feeling? Keno fits the bill, its completely mindless. On top of this, we're talking years, decades of lottery games around the country that have given people the "thrill" of picking numbers, it certainly would have made it a popular game early on when they came out.

    Now, you can have 2,000 people in a casino, only 3 or 4 will be playing any version of a Keno game. Its a statement about your area, and how behind the times and "old fashioned" it is, not about how far "advanced" the machines are.

    Now you just sound stark raving mad.

    I don't play uncapped progressives, like a Megabucks, etc. I do play VP progressives on smaller denominations myself, but I consider them in a different category than "Uncapped progressives".

    If you find it unusual that I wouldn't play them, especially since I have a team, then you probably aren't aware of how little the income is, and how much of a waste of time that would be for my team. This also gives light to the fact that you've never ran a team, and likely never worked "well" with one in the past. And I don't mean some 3 way hustler chop on a progressive, I mean an actual team setting and dynamic.

    I find it funny how you still think the "Mississippi River" area is "my area", still.

    First, a hustler would never tell you his area because he doesn't want others to know its profitable. (You've made this mistake a hundred times, likely because it isn't as profitable as you say it is)

    Second, just because I tell you, yourself, to go down the Mississippi within 100 miles of the river, doesn't mean that area is "my area". I might simply be referring to one of the most densely populated casino areas outside of Las Vegas. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that most states have some kind of "riverboat law" on the books still, where most all casinos are required to be moored on or near the river, and have to be on some kind of float atop the water form that river.

    Third, you've never actually mentioned my area, yet. This is largely because you don't travel, don't communicate with other APs, and don't have a very good bearing on where the profitable casinos of this country are located.
     
  11. Mickey Crimm

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    This post has been reported to Admin for repeated insults especially the ones calling me a liar. Every sentence in the post about me is incorrect. In another recent post exo put Admin on notice that if Admin doesn't follow exo's rules then exo will quit posting on this forum. My advice to exo is don't talk about it, do it. It is glaringly clear that exo will never follow the rules on this forum.
     
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  12. RS

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    LOL at "only idiots use safety deposit boxes". One reason to have a safety deposit box is so you don't need to travel with large amounts of money. It's much easier to bring however much money you think you'll need for the play then leave it there in a safety deposit box. When you come back a week or two weeks later, your money's there. Don't have to worry about traveling back and forth with large amounts of money that might or eventually will get taken from you at the airport.

    I'm not too worried about my money in a safety deposit box not being insured. I'm obviously not going to put my entire or even a majority of my bankroll in a single safety deposit box. I have some cash at home in my safe. I have some cash at another AP's home, in his safe. I have some in a safety deposit box in LV and another safety deposit box outside of LV. I have some as front money at a few different casinos. I have some in mobile betting apps.


    With as much traveling as you claim to do, you really should have multiple safety deposit boxes around the states. I don't do as much traveling as you do, but if I did, I'd likely travel with the minimum amount I think I'd need (likely $5-10k for the vulturing type stuff it seems you mostly do?), then leave $15-25k in safety deposit boxes in the cities I frequent, or however much extra cash I think I'd need.
     
  13. Mickey Crimm

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    RS, his safe deposit box argument is not about safe deposit boxes. A malignant narcissist uses anything and everything to belittle others. Exo is a classic case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
     
  14. Mickey Crimm

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    I don't have an answer for that one as I've never tracked it. But here's one for you that doesn't need tracking. I can do it on the spot in just a couple of minutes with a pocket calculator.

    1. You find a five-spot video keno progressive.

    2. The bet is $1.65

    3. the 0,1, and 2 out of 5 pay nothing.

    4. The 3 out of 5 pays $8.37

    5. The 4 out of 5 pays $51.73

    6. The progressive meter for the 5 out of 5 is at $589.05

    I deliberately used oddball numbers so you can't run it on a keno calculator.

    In your analysis is this a positive or negative expectation play? Can you calculate the average cost to produce the 5 out of 5?
     
  15. BUZZARD

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    Hey Mickey. My wife added you to her prayer list. Hope you are winning the biggest game of your life !!!
     
  16. AxelWolf

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    I didn't take the time to read everything here(especially EX's very, very long post).
    While skimming I noticed my name, so I briefly read that part. PLEASE don't compare me with others, good or bad. I'm not, and never have been in competition with any one individual. There may be times where I am in direct competition with other AP's while trying to be the first or only one on a play, find a better angle, find a better game, find a better method and take more money from the casino than them, but it ends there. Nowadays, there's not a lot of direct competition going on like in the past when there were much more promotions and progressives going on.
     
  17. Mickey Crimm

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    No hill for a climber, Buzz. Thanks for the encouragement. I'm 113 days in.
     
  18. Mickey Crimm

    Mickey Crimm Well-Known Member

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    Admin has not taken any action on another post by exoter calling me a liar. Admin requested that exotard and I be civil. I honored his request. The insults kept flying from exoter. Admin is now allowing exoter to run the site. What a fucking joke. Another joke is exoter writing posts that take up most of a webpage but admin issues me a warning for 3 or four posts in a row that can all be read in a small fraction of the time it takes to read an exoter post. This is a fucking joke too.

    I'm not going to allow that bag of shit NPD exotardo to hurls insults while I remain civil. Fuck that shit. Exotardo is a low-life scumbag motherfucker. No friends, his parents don't even like him. Bring it on exotardo. I got you on full blast maggot.
     
  19. Mickey Crimm

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    I remember now reading the Quick Hits thread on WoV. Quick Hits Platinum is a common penny game around the country. Mission146 said he got it straight from Bally that they make five chips for the game. The lowest is 88.05% and that doesn't include the meter movement. The other four chips are in the nineties percentagewise. Exo can take it up with Mission if he thinks I'm lying.
     
  20. Mickey Crimm

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    Exoter is showing his ignorance again. Poker was my first AP opportunity. That is AP opportunities in casinos. In my drifting around and working day labor times I hit the libraries in every town reading the poker books, along with everything else they had on gambling. I intended to start playing poker at some point and did. Poker played a big roll in my transition from drifter to AP.

    It was in the Fort Collins, Colorado library that I found a couple of books on Stud 8 by Andy Nelson. Those two frickin' books were good. And I knew that they spread the game in Deadwood. I studied the hell out of those two books, worked some more day labor, then took off for Deadwood to see what I could do.

    The games were a mixture of regulars that were pretty good and novices that didn't have a clue. I wasn't crushing them there. I was grinding out about $50 a day and learning the ropes. The cheapest hotel was $35 a night so I would camp for one night then hotel for one night. This was in 1993. I overheard players talking about the Stud 8 games in Cripple Creek, Colorado and how good they were. I thought I should investigate. So I took off for Cripple Creek.

    I walked in the door of the Phoenix House Cardroom, next door to the Midnight Rose. All three tables were full so I got on the list. I'm standing there watching these games and every hand on every table is a family pot. OMG! OMG! I think I'm going to like this place, I thought.

    My daily average went from $50 to $150. Whoopeeee!!! We're all rich. The day trip busses up from Colorado Spring cost $7 but you got all the money back from coupons. That was my first experience with coupons. And they were everywhere. All the joints had them. I'd buy $7 in nickels for $5 then cash them in another joint, etc., stuff like that. $2 for a full meal. I got a comped meal out of the Phoenix House everyday.

    The hotels were high price in Cripple Creek but they had a campground with showers for $10 a night. I bought a tent down in the Springs and brought it up. If I was there in the winter months I rented a weekly flea bag hotel room in Old Town on the west side of Colorado Springs. The day trip busses left from just a couple blocks away.

    I'd might make a score like $2000 playing Stud 8 then go drifting off some place else. But.....when the money got low....hitchhike, jump a train, whatever, I headed back to Cripple Creek to make another score.

    It was reading the Lenny Frome articles in Cardplayer Magazine that was in all the poker rooms, especially the advantage games he wrote about, that got me interested in machine play.

    I was at every WSOP at the Horseshoe from 1996 until they moved it to the Rio. I played the cash games and railbirded the tournaments. I could tell you some stories.

    Those were the good old days.
     

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