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Roulette Something to ponder

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by BlueAngel, Jan 4, 2018.

  1. BlueAngel

    BlueAngel Active Member

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    There are many ways to bet but not all of them are equally effective, not now, neither on the long term.
    I'm going to present you a few and we could analyze them even further.

    Let's say I want to bet repeaters and win within 37 spins/36 bets (maximum).
    By betting each and every number which comes is not the optimal way because there will be times which the 1st repeat occurs late, personally I've witnessed to happen on 19th spin and from simulations on 23rd spin.

    That's why we need to come up with something better than this, my 2 propositions can be summarized on 3 words: double or half!!

    So my 1st idea is to increase the numbers which I'm betting just enough in order to win easier and faster.
    On the same time I won't increase the cost of the total bets, it will be decreased because per coup will be shorter in duration, the payout will be less but more frequent, thus approximately the same but with reduced cost.
    For each and every number which hits we'll bet it together with 1 more not shown number, I'm doing this by betting the splits of the numbers which are coming.
    For every repeater there will be also another number which hasn't hit till the moment we bet it, therefore hit to un-hit numbers goes 1 to 1 ratio by betting the splits which include the 1 hit numbers.
    There are 2 ways to end with a single win and restart from scratch, either 1 of the numbers repeats which is more probable with dealers rich in repeaters, or by the 1st hit from 1 of the other half numbers which is most likely with dealers rich in uniques.
    Whether will be 1 or the other we don't mind as long as both of the situations make us win.
    Calculate bets in order to coup with a single win.

    My second approach is a bit different as it bets only straight up numbers and only numbers with 1 hit in order to repeat.
    This time instead of doubling the numbers we bet we're going to half them!
    This is how, pick any half of the roulette wheel (18 to 19 pockets), when there is hit on your side, your half, bet that number, as a matter of fact bet every number that shows up but ONLY on your hemisphere (half wheel).
    Start from 1 and add till you win or 37/38 spins passed without a single repeat within your half.
    Personally I've never seen all repeaters fall only to 1 half of the wheel (any half).

    My 3rd way is different from previous 2, if any number can be disappeared for 600+ spins then for this extreme limit there the opposite, the shortest possible which is 2 hits in 2 spins in a row.
    If the longest limit is the ice then the shortest is the fire and as we well know what is hot as fire can never turn into ice immediately and vice versa.
    Therefore it makes sense to initiate a progression every time a number hits twice in 2 consecutive spins, I recommend BR for 148 to 185 progression steps.
    Yes, some numbers exceed this limit but those numbers didn't hit back to back on 2 successive spins.

    I'd like to here your opinions, suggestions, recommendations.
     
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  2. BlueAngel

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    Here's 1 more, what's more persistent than irregularity on roulette game, therefore it makes sense to take advantage of it rather than go against it.
    The million dollar question is how, let me show you.
    Grab a paper or open Excel, start betting every number which hits, on paper/Excel make 3 columns, on the 1st write all numbers, on the 2nd write the total of spins remaining before you stop betting a specific number, we'll bet every number AFTER it comes till a hit or up to and including 37 spins without hit.

    When a number hits while we bet it its 37 spins counter restarts from 1, so after each hit write 1 by the number which just hit, on the spins column.
    Every number has its own spins' count, as long as a number hits no less than 1 time per 37 spins we'll keep on betting it, when a number doesn't hit for 37 spins we remove it from our bet selection and wait for it till it comes again, no matter how long it will takes.

    When eventually returns restart the progression where you left of, for another 37 bets/spins or till it hits, whatever happens first.
    The reasoning is that numbers distribution is irregular and the same reason which makes numbers "sleepers" (below average) it also makes them "hot" (above average), therefore at some not too distant point, a sleeper will hit twice within 37 spins (38 for the 00).

    There are always some more active numbers which we keep on betting as long as they hit, the progression for each number separately should be sufficient for 5 cycles of 37 spins/bets, 185 in total.
    Don't confuse the "waiting" spins with the actual betting spins, you could wait for a sleeper anything from 1 up to 666 spins, no matter how long it could take to "awake" it doesn't cost anything because we will not bet before it hits again.
    On the 3rd column you should keep the score for each number separately, you can stop when you had enough of it! :D
     
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  3. asymbacguy

    asymbacguy New Member

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    Hi BA, it's always a pleasure to read your posts!

    Tomorrow I'll add my comments on that.

    Cheers!
     
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    Here are 2 more beting methods regarding the roulette wheel's layout.

    Method number 1}
    Place a dot with a marker to the wheel's pocket of the number which just came, start betting this number with 1 unit.
    After each new spin add the dot where it belongs on the wheel's layout, update your scorecard in order to know your current balance.
    If another number hits for 2nd time then replace your previous number with the 1 which has 2 hits.
    When there are 2 hits on any 2 adjacent pockets replace the 1 number (regardless of its hits) with those 2 numbers.
    When you bet 2 numbers you should place 2 units on each.
    Keep betting those 2 till: another 2 adjacent pockets with total 3 hits or 3 adjacent pockets, on the later case you replace bets and put 3 units on each of these 3 numbers.
    You always pick the largest unified sector, when 2 or more sectors are equal on number of pockets then select the one which has more hits.
    If their hits are also the same then stick with the one you are already betting.
    The progression doesn't increases by wins or losses but by the total of numbers/pockets you bet.
    For 1 bet 1 unit/1 unit total, for 2 bet 2 units/4 units total, for 3 bet 3 units/9 units total, for 4 bet 4 units/16 units total, for 5 bet 5 units/25 units total, for 6 bet 6 units/36 units total, for 7 bet 7 units/49 units total, for 8 bet 8 units/64 units total, for 9 bet 9 units/81 units total.
    I'd not recommended to go beyond 9 pockets sector, however, you could continue up to 35 unified wheel pockets with 35 units on each and every one of them for a grant total of 1225 units.
    Start from 1 and continue till net profit/new bankroll high or till next bet would be more than 9 pockets.
    When you meet one of those conditions restart from spin number 1 by betting 1 number.

    My second method takes advantage not the repeaters but the unique which are neighbouring shown numbers.
    The betting principle:
    Bet for a 4 pockets sector will be formed before the 38th spin.
    Therefore you wait till there are 3 continuous pockets and at that time you bet their 2 bordering numbers, either of them would make the sector expand from 3 to 4 adjacent pockets.
    There are also cases with 1 pocket plus 2 pockets separated by only one empty slot, such cases are also bet, but here we bet only 1 because the missing number is in the middle instead of the sector's borders.
    The progression should aim to win with a single win by any of your qualified bets, within a maximum of 37 spins for single 0 and 38 spins for 00 wheel.

    We've just start scratching the surface of something really deep...the question is; Do you really want to know how deep is the rabbit hole...? ;)
     
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  5. asymbacguy

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    Interesting strategies BA.

    Let me explain my idea about roulette (as you probably know baccarat is still my preferred game).

    If we consider roulette just as a 37 numbers proposition each having the same probability to appear we must admit at the start that the process involving the succession of numbers will be perfectly random.
    And a perfect random world exists only in theory because factors like human employees, wheel imperfections, humidity and temperature, etc will alter the random nature of the game. At least in light of the strict acception of the term.
    Actually roulette is a physical game and not a mere succession of randomly taken numbers.
    The best way to ascertain this is to compare long term live results with numbers taken from a so called perfect random generation.

    Therefore and knowing that every bet will be EV- on both models, our only tool is to consider the long term probability of success of certain wagers and not to try to find out possible factors altering the random world as they are not measurable or they appear too rarely to be exploited (wheel imperfections, for example).

    In a word, I want to play in a roulette game where my probability of success will be at least equal than what general probability laws dictate. And imo the best way to do that is playing on automated wheels that do not involve humans and many factors depicted above that on a.w.'s are mostly assumed as constant.
    We shouldn't forget that a pc generation, whatever sophisticated might be, is susceptible of flaws, meaning that either an endorsed equiprobability will act or that the software is so stupid to provide repetitive patterns along the way.

    Repeaters and sleeping numbers distribution reflexes those assumptions and of course it varies depending on the specific wheel considered.
    There's no one single winning system capable to do well on every wheel of the universe, even though they are manufactured by the same brand.

    More specifically, repeaters hotness or coldness varies about the numbers range considered and by specific circumstances involved that almost always may be studied by clusters of different lenght on either side.
    It's an almost impossible task for a software to provide huge degrees of mixed and undetectable situations, for example it'll very unlikely that the next spin will involve the same parameters featured on the previous one.
    Naturally the number just hit could immediately repeats but almost always this is the product of a bouncing effect acting on either of two consecutive spins.

    I guess your strategies might wonderfully work whether you are applying them on the same automated wheel and after having registered its long term behaviour.

    Cheers.

    as.
     
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  6. BlueAngel

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    I like your comprehensive view about roulette, like you said, repeats and uniques happen in clusters, bunches, therefore it makes perfect sense to bet for at least a second successive after every first appearance of either group.

    The strategies/ideas which I'm presenting on this topic should be considered as pieces of a puzzle, as ingredients for a great recipe, despite I've avail them don't expect me to 'cook' them for you.

    Everyone speaks regarding his own perspective, you cannot describe Fiji if you've never been there...

    Your insightful comments are always welcome in my topics.
     
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    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Asymbac,

    Are you in the US?
     
  8. asymbacguy

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    Hi Dr.
    I live in Vegas most part of the year.
     
  9. asymbacguy

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    Hi Blue and thanks, I do think you are miles ahead of the vast majority of the various forums posters.
    Actually I developed a baccarat strategy about an idea you have posted some months ago in another forum and that i wish to post here.

    Back to roulette. Sorry if I'm writiing my ideas on your thread and not starting a new one on my part. Of course I wish to get some feedback from you about it.

    I think that any strong roulette strategy should rely upon two main concepts:

    - trying to win by flat betting or very close to it.

    - betting just on single numbers and not on common chances (EC, columns, dozens, etc).

    No news, I've seen that many players here and there seem to agree with this.

    The use of a calibrated progression performs very well in case the first concept will be fit, conversely a progression will lead but to disastrous results, it's just a matter of time.
    The only exception to the last assumption is supported by strong evidence that the probability of success of a series of selected bets can greatly overcome the overall and partial risk of ruin, meaning that no negative deviated sd values could destroy our system itlr.
    This is possible only at baccarat as it's an asymmetrical game, not at roulette where each outcome is supposed to be equally probable.

    Surprisingly and differently than roulette, at baccarat it's almost impossible to win by flat betting other than card counting side bets or waiting for so rare situations that nobody would be interested to apply.

    Thus paradoxically a huge negative game as roulette could be beaten by a flat betting strategy, that is players might get a long term edge at least when the same conditions are met.
    That means that it doesn't exist and never will exist a general roulette strategy capable to beat ALL wheels of the world and actually many roulettes cannot be beaten anyway.

    Reasons why certain roulettes can be beaten legally and by flat betting vary from biased wheels to malfunction or not accurate setting of the random production or, this being a very intricate topic, because the actual random world on a specific live roulette doesn't seem to fit the general probability requisites even if the wheel is perfectly balanced.
    Those are the only reasons why we may get the edge we're looking for.

    Second concept is of paramount importance for me and I'm glad that most of the roulette posts here are focused about single numbers.

    Every result is decided by the ball falling into one single slot, the smallest unit where many other related chances will be resolved.
    Hence too many chances are affected by a single number appearance, still the physical process involved just one slot.
    The history of this game have taught us that the most successfull team beating roulette legally ever (3-way team who beat Ritz casino in London doesn't belong to this category for obvious reasons) adopted a single numbers strategy.
    Yes, this formidable team probably registered possible biased wheels by chi square test studies. yet IB company didn't exist at that time and of course along the years roulette system inventors were more appealed to find out a possible way to beat EVERY roulette in the world than to try to find out edges onto a specific wheel. With no avail, of course.

    Try to test this: register 2000-3000 outcomes on one specific wheel and compare many opposed single number clustered situations where the proportional probability won't align with the expected general probability values, all better ascertained by chi square tests or sd values.
    Maybe you'll find out a long term FB edge just by coincidence. Anyway either you are on something or you can't be wrong beyond the negative edge you are expected to lose without any registration.

    Comments appreciated of course.

    as.
     
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  10. BlueAngel

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    What you describe it's possible, actually Victor from BS uses such strategy as the one you've just described (1 number, clustered hits), but he uses a positive progression instead of flat bet.
    I believe that everything has its good and bad facets, but as a Greek adagio says: "between 2 disadvantages choose the least bad, that's the best."
    I've said before that a progression alone cannot make the difference, including flat bet, so as long as we are talking only about money managements and progressions while disregarding the selection, which is the most important, I cannot understand if what you are talking is good idea or not.
    Clusters of numbers is a certainty, every bet actually is a certainty to win at some point, if there were no table limits and with infinite bankroll we would be 100% sure for our victories regardless of what we would bet.
    But since we are living in a real world we have to synchronize our bet selection with what happens the time we want to bet, nothing is better always but always there is something better...!
    Therefore, by that time you get what you want how much time and money have you spent??
    A certainty doesn't necessarily translate to profit, if you get what I mean.
    It's all about synchronization, roulette as the transmitter and you as the receiver react on what you see, on a dialogue between 2 sides there can never be the same word again and again, the same goes for roulette, it cannot transmit a whole communication with just 1 number...
    Consider every number as a word, as we form sentences some words are repeated, it's not the purpose but it happens.
    Few words are more common because they are being used as hubs, connectors, between many other phrases.
    So are there better numbers to bet, yes but these numbers are not the same every time, all come down to interpretation of what you see...
    "At my time there were AsymBackGuy and TurboGenious, what great players...after 1 generation who knows who will carry the heavy heritage!"
    "During my session number 21 and 7 rocked my world, who knows what will be tomorrow..."

    If you get my drift...;)
     
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    Wow, there's a lot of gambler's fallacy and bs being tossed around in this thread!
     
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    Asym,

    I'm in LV for a while as well.
     
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    May I get you a room or something? ;)
     
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    Good to hear that, it would be nice to meet us.
     

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