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Blackjack Spanish 21 and Blackjack Games in Preference Order

Discussion in 'Blackjack Forum' started by Moraine, Jun 8, 2024 at 3:55 AM.

  1. Moraine

    Moraine Active Member

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    Card counting or not, everything being equal, these are my Spanish 21 and Blackjack games in the preference order:

    1. S17 Spanish 21
    2. S17 Blackjack
    3. H17 Blackjack
    4. H17 Spanish 21

    What's your? Would you share?
     
  2. KewlJ

    KewlJ Well-Known Member

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    I don't play Spanish 21, so I will answer as to regular blackjack. Obviously all things being equal, as you stated, meaning same rules, same number of decks, same penetration, it is a no brainer that S17 is the better game, lopping .21 off the house advantage. (it is actually more than that for a card counter when figuring win rate, because there is a whole shift, requiring more hands played at the poorer counts to get to the break even and +EV hands, which will be fewer, but let's forget that for a minute.

    What I really wanted to comment on is that at some casinos, the "best" game, is the one they hawk or watch closely. Often this involves a double deck game being hawked closely (notorious here in Vegas) while a pretty decent 6 deck game right at the next table you can spread wildly with little consequence. For me, everything considered, including heat and backoffs, the 6 deck game would be superior opportunity.

    I have even seen one where it is the 6 deck game, with very mediocre 75% penetration being watched closely, while the 8 deck game at the next table, with only 1 deck cut off, you can do as you please.

    And probably the most extreme case is 6:5 blackjack. I used to play one casino that would back players off spreading 1-4 or 1-5 at a 6 decks 3:2 game, but the 6:5 game a couple tables down, you could spread table minimum to table max ($1000), with absolutely no heat. I guess the thought process was no one can beat 6:5, when of course you can. It takes a great deal of discipline, is an incredibly slow grind with a mountain of variance, but if you have the bankroll, it is really all about the hourly EV, which in the long run will turn into win rate.
     

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