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Roulette Spans between Hits

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by delectus, Jul 24, 2018.

  1. delectus

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    Hi Gizmotron, I should like to thank you for producing the 'Spans between Hits' post, in the Arizona
    Repeater topic. I was late coming to the forum and have only just seen it. Very interesting.

    I will make it a future project to compare the continuous spins at a Table with the eight spins chosen
    by the model. I may be able to include it in an eventual model program.

    Just out of interest I checked out number 8 over the last 20 Tables, spans between hits continuous spins,
    average 28 spins each Table:

    12 11 110 73 29 34 12 41 11 20 5 50 40 12D 11 62

    D = Double

    I will definitely do some more work on it soon.

    BTW is number 29 starting 084?
     
  2. gizmotron

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    I use three digit numbers so that the chart lines up. The more numbers between spaces per line the more that number hits.

    001 = double if I understand what you are saying?

    I will add numbers to lines and post several more charts.
     
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    01) 011, 036, 008, 007, 036, 001, 025, 044, 011, 057,
    02) 032, 011, 138, 006, 040, 029, 001, 022, 098,
    03) 016, 012, 032, 069, 005, 022, 006, 143, 065,
    04) 063, 009, 001, 014, 062, 037, 141, 041,
    05) 048, 059, 014, 004, 023, 021, 004, 011, 050, 005, 060, 054, 008,
    06) 025, 019, 050, 011, 001, 074, 072,
    07) 003, 054, 023, 034, 002, 017, 020, 191,
    08) 013, 107, 022, 047, 012, 045, 005, 004,
    09) 022, 007, 017, 006, 152, 028, 028, 006, 003, 004, 056, 042,
    10) 041, 029, 138, 003, 033, 045, 046, 010,
    11) 015, 021, 038, 064, 002, 043, 034, 024, 022, 056, 012, 042,
    12) 093, 022, 037, 083, 058, 043, 026,
    13) 068, 021, 003, 008, 085, 006, 008, 003, 093, 062, 002, 015, 001,
    14) 076, 035, 011, 001, 031, 021, 002, 048, 013, 076,
    15) 006, 024, 061, 027, 040, 016, 080, 030, 014, 004,
    16) 024, 027, 075, 004, 007, 026, 030, 050, 024, 009, 020, 008, 022, 025, 012,
    17) 012, 074, 004, 005, 014, 004, 034, 041, 021, 041, 009, 016, 008, 056, 019, 002, 009, 007,
    18) 027, 012, 040, 049, 042, 008, 029, 008, 027, 023, 051, 039,
    19) 037, 024, 023, 012, 059, 011, 016, 038, 011, 147,
    20) 004, 079, 053, 023, 002, 011, 042, 054, 018, 001, 014, 002, 006, 024, 004, 009,
    21) 017, 028, 032, 031, 097, 016, 053, 006, 002, 024, 011, 001, 002, 022, 012,
    22) 228, 042, 018, 002, 004, 056,
    23) 075, 060, 009, 114, 004, 010, 009, 032, 035,
    24) 002, 006, 042, 021, 033, 006, 096, 006, 001, 102, 041,
    25) 010, 010, 039, 042, 031, 019, 073, 068, 051, 022,
    26) 018, 099, 047, 066, 019, 022, 053,
    27) 007, 002, 017, 008, 111, 053, 012, 102, 016, 004,
    28) 023, 010, 052, 017, 037, 011, 044, 001, 034, 035, 036,
    29) 021, 076, 121, 029, 105, 012,
    30) 190, 036, 027, 008, 036, 044,
    31) 165, 068, 052, 022, 059,
    32) 035, 007, 012, 012, 037, 057, 040, 078, 030, 014, 016,
    33) 001, 037, 040, 010, 024, 059, 032, 013, 006, 026, 075, 026,
    34) 019, 012, 027, 007, 002, 074, 055, 041, 073, 011, 009, 010, 007,
    35) 005, 035, 016, 075, 012, 148, 043, 033,
    36) 014, 035, 004, 016, 012, 038, 038, 040, 022, 004, 022, 066, 014,
    37) 064, 018, 045, 019, 021, 009, 016, 048, 037, 095,
     
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    01) 011, 071, 002, 075, 101, 024, 009,
    02) 023, 042, 120, 083,
    03) 041, 016, 019, 059, 040, 082,
    04) 015, 045, 010, 039, 025, 055, 057, 004, 011, 041, 016,
    05) 087, 037, 027, 009, 063, 108,
    06) 024, 009, 021, 072, 015, 017, 025, 001, 030, 066, 009, 035,
    07) 026, 009, 076, 130, 050, 016, 012,
    08) 102, 026, 019, 064, 013, 018, 011, 052,
    09) 031, 020, 020, 030, 022, 007, 157,
    10) 004, 030, 009, 002, 004, 153, 033, 065, 020, 010, 003,
    11) 010, 011, 017, 059, 021, 020, 029, 033, 051, 005, 036, 036,
    12) 270, 001, 002,
    13) 001, 008, 103, 050, 010, 106, 007, 019, 028,
    14) 019, 050, 021, 053, 009, 021, 026, 006, 057, 010, 026, 023,
    15) 059, 027, 029, 025, 086, 005, 014,
    16) 032, 045, 019, 117, 006, 057, 033, 007,
    17) 006, 021, 086, 053, 071, 026, 012,
    18) 020, 054, 121, 053, 006, 010, 001, 058,
    19) 088, 005, 012, 105, 028, 077,
    20) 116, 009, 046, 081, 025, 006, 016, 007,
    21) 063, 115, 003, 088, 005, 005, 016,
    22) 018, 024, 010, 009, 046, 094, 007, 013, 006, 020, 063,
    23) 017, 019, 067, 011, 008, 046, 008, 058, 009, 012, 004, 007, 020, 008,
    24) 003, 075, 005, 015, 095, 014, 015, 059, 007, 026, 012,
    25) 025, 019, 006, 014, 011, 064, 015, 020, 024, 019, 008,
    26) 066, 023, 075, 161,
    27) 037, 031, 013, 040, 029, 040, 004, 024, 010, 094,
    28) 048, 005, 027, 012, 002, 014, 012, 059, 008, 009, 020, 017,
    29) 002, 014, 046, 023, 078, 002, 004, 013, 009, 021,
    30) 030, 043, 006, 038, 025, 003, 008, 027, 017, 099, 017,
    31) 013, 016, 027, 054, 022, 060, 052, 038, 008, 013,
    32) 058, 042, 019, 018, 049, 034,
    33) 005, 003, 004, 035, 052, 005, 029, 003, 019, 002, 052, 020, 011, 071,
    34) 022, 017, 001, 027, 005, 034, 040, 002, 001, 007, 047, 029, 035, 030, 020,
    35) 144, 026, 007, 038, 021, 013, 063, 015, 002,
    36) 007, 007, 014, 018, 009, 036, 004, 034, 077, 033, 019, 043, 007,
    37) 127, 004, 030, 027, 016, 026,
     
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    01) 032, 031, 014, 008, 002, 007, 160, 007, 002,
    02) 059, 014, 025, 019, 043, 005, 017, 036, 003, 014, 057,
    03) 031, 044, 025, 014, 114, 002, 028, 011, 027, 036,
    04) 011, 035, 047, 013, 031, 012, 077, 008, 010, 006, 057, 017,
    05) 003, 015, 154, 009, 122, 003,
    06) 022, 004, 026, 095, 029, 098, 040,
    07) 009, 012, 034, 052, 039, 043, 012, 011, 036, 062, 001, 024,
    08) 007, 003, 072, 006, 011, 084, 002, 077, 014, 047,
    09) 030, 027, 072, 074, 001, 009, 042, 013, 004, 050, 014,
    10) 115, 105, 109, 004,
    11) 025, 014, 005, 035, 001, 065, 005, 019, 072, 002, 017, 005, 012, 002,
    12) 013, 015, 025, 007, 016, 008, 011, 127, 063, 006, 011,
    13) 002, 040, 019, 042, 006, 031, 051, 047,
    14) 125, 013, 104, 009, 065,
    15) 034, 124, 001, 012, 044, 025, 049, 015, 017,
    16) 043, 019, 061, 077, 071, 010, 006, 043,
    17) 008, 030, 002, 028, 010, 052, 018, 016, 059, 024, 009, 003, 061,
    18) 037, 014, 080, 039, 108, 005, 025,
    19) 004, 041, 003, 056, 007, 064, 058, 024, 055, 022,
    20) 006, 008, 088, 093, 019, 050, 064,
    21) 017, 006, 006, 037, 035, 021, 058, 019, 089, 021, 006,
    22) 047, 024, 019, 028, 014, 021, 003, 007, 030, 044,
    23) 033, 017, 019, 055, 004, 059, 019, 061,
    24) 067, 007, 018, 016, 137, 082,
    25) 016, 056, 101, 036, 022, 051, 008, 009, 032,
    26) 012, 023, 046, 016, 029, 008, 028, 022, 004, 028, 077, 012, 008,
    27) 019, 005, 017, 029, 013, 068, 060,
    28) 054, 032, 033, 016, 026, 036, 008, 014, 006, 011, 058, 025, 018,
    29) 001, 026, 085, 015, 006, 041, 106,
    30) 015, 041, 002, 006, 052, 005, 065, 066, 021,
    31) 036, 118, 014, 009, 140,
    32) 136, 003, 005, 008, 005, 009, 001, 027, 008, 006, 078, 012,
    33) 065, 077, 001, 012, 024, 028, 068, 025, 026,
    34) 089, 109, 029, 019, 003, 017, 004, 014, 017, 024,
    35) 091, 005, 045, 049, 020, 007, 007, 073, 021,
    36) 020, 090, 082, 004, 036, 007,
    37) 005, 044, 056, 008, 007, 058, 051, 024, 042,
     
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    37) = 0
     
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    Thanks for producing the above charts.

    The 'fallacy boys' lol say, all numbers are independent of every other number. Is it reasonable to say number 1
    in your charts is very favourable much of the time between hits?

    I am slowly working on a chart from 23 Tables averaging 28 spins each Table. 1 is complete as follows:

    1) 009, 052, 032, 009, 011, 023, 011, 015, 076, 029, 026, 019, 003, 011, 055, 059, 009, 083, 050, 003, 037
     

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    What I get out of these charts is that a very hot number will hit 3 to 5 times in a shot burst of say 30 to 50 spins, even less. I also see that the best number in 300 to 350 spins will almost always have a non symmetrical big gap before the next hit somewhere in the sequence.

    I've always thought it was best to go after the best hot numbers, just a few that is, like 1 to 3 numbers at a time. My guess is that a hot number will hit on average 16 spins in a good session. If you apply the law of thirds to that then a logical interval is to stay with a number for 24 spins before ending a bet on it for a while. Then again It might be a good idea to add 13 to a 38 spin cycle making 51 the stop point on any hot number guessing system. All this being done with flat betting of course. Law of thirds shows you that some hot numbers will cool off in the 300 spin sequence. It also shows that a few numbers will get real hot that were once cool. The secret to all this is comparing 100's of 300 spin sequences and seeing how good you actually are at guessing the best 3 hot numbers to bet on. That's including replacing numbers mid sequence.

    Somebody get good at that and they will own the casino.
     
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    Example from above:
    17) 012, 074, 004, 005, 014, 004, 034, 041, 021, 041, 009, 016, 008, 056, 019, 002, 009, 007,

    Every bet falls inside of the 51 spins window except 1.

    That's 5 hits to guess this is a good number. That's 95 spins without bets.

    It's one loss at 51 spins and a missed new hit before starting again. That's 24 more missed spins.

    So you get 12 net wins from about 190 spins with 51 lost bets before that.

    The math:

    You won (432 - 51) - 190 = 291 units
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    Your mind must work like this if you want to beat this game flat betting long streaks or sequences of spins. That was just one number too.
     
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    So I set the software to stop on the selected number after 51 misses.
    I went with 4 as the hottest number. The software will keep going until it hist a 51 spin hole.

    01)
    02)
    03)
    04) 004, 016, 005, 002, 002,
    05) 028,
    06)
    07) 015,
    08) 001, 023,
    09) 022,
    10)
    11) 007, 003,
    12) 005, 028,
    13)
    14)
    15) 019, 016,
    16)
    17)
    18)
    19)
    20)
    21) 002, 028,
    22) 009,
    23) 013,
    24) 008,
    25) 032,
    26) 012, 004,
    27) 018,
    28)
    29) 021, 010,
    30)
    31) 034,
    32)
    33)
    34) 014,
    35) 003, 014, 006,
    36) 026, 010,
    37) 006, 005,
     
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    It hit the hole right off the bat. So I selected 24 for the next try.

    01)
    02) 039, 002, 011, 006,
    03)
    04) 004, 016, 005, 002, 002,
    05) 028,
    06)
    07) 015,
    08) 001, 023, 042, 020,
    09) 022, 054,
    10) 055, 018,
    11) 007, 003,
    12) 005, 028,
    13) 063, 016,
    14)
    15) 019, 016, 025,
    16) 048,
    17) 057, 007, 018,
    18)
    19) 044,
    20) 078,
    21) 002, 028, 045,
    22) 009, 045, 011,
    23) 013, 038, 008, 010, 011,
    24) 008, 030, 039, 006, 001,
    25) 032,
    26) 012, 004, 055,
    27) 018, 029,
    28) 085,
    29) 021, 010, 030,
    30) 037, 025, 010,
    31) 034, 008, 004, 022, 013,
    32)
    33) 040, 030, 004,
    34) 014, 029, 007, 006,
    35) 003, 014, 006,
    36) 026, 010, 009, 004, 018,
    37) 006, 005, 042, 034,
     
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    Looks like 4 heated up again, wish I stayed with it. So I will go back to it.

    01) 157, 011,
    02) 039, 002, 011, 006, 033, 095, 001,
    03) 095,
    04) 004, 016, 005, 002, 002, 064, 072, 006, 012,
    05) 028, 070, 052,
    06) 101, 026, 037, 003,
    07) 015,
    08) 001, 023, 042, 020, 010, 012, 073,
    09) 022, 054,
    10) 055, 018, 039, 044,
    11) 007, 003, 110, 018, 002,
    12) 005, 028, 073, 003, 001, 022, 009, 020,
    13) 063, 016, 013, 010, 014, 013, 033, 017,
    14) 099, 036, 018, 022, 005, 002,
    15) 019, 016, 025, 085,
    16) 048, 076, 009,
    17) 057, 007, 018, 041, 014, 018, 011, 007, 011,
    18) 169,
    19) 044, 056, 018, 008, 046,
    20) 078, 047, 009,
    21) 002, 028, 045, 084, 015, 003,
    22) 009, 045, 011, 039, 026,
    23) 013, 038, 008, 010, 011, 008, 001, 057, 003,
    24) 008, 030, 039, 006, 001, 033, 011, 011,
    25) 032, 138,
    26) 012, 004, 055, 023, 028, 029, 003, 031,
    27) 018, 029, 105,
    28) 085, 029, 028,
    29) 021, 010, 030, 036, 018, 021, 011, 029,
    30) 037, 025, 010, 049,
    31) 034, 008, 004, 022, 013, 063,
    32) 090, 017, 051, 030,
    33) 040, 030, 004,
    34) 014, 029, 007, 006, 047, 057,
    35) 003, 014, 006, 082, 008, 018,
    36) 026, 010, 009, 004, 018, 052, 024, 005, 030,
    37) 006, 005, 042, 034, 024, 052,
     
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    Still sticking with 4 on next try:

    01) 157, 011,
    02) 039, 002, 011, 006, 033, 095, 001,
    03) 095, 145, 015,
    04) 004, 016, 005, 002, 002, 064, 072, 006, 012, 033,
    05) 028, 070, 052, 043, 049,
    06) 101, 026, 037, 003, 055,
    07) 015, 228,
    08) 001, 023, 042, 020, 010, 012, 073, 032, 035, 011,
    09) 022, 054,
    10) 055, 018, 039, 044, 065, 005, 019,
    11) 007, 003, 110, 018, 002, 070, 021,
    12) 005, 028, 073, 003, 001, 022, 009, 020, 031, 035, 007, 004, 011,
    13) 063, 016, 013, 010, 014, 013, 033, 017, 039, 038,
    14) 099, 036, 018, 022, 005, 002, 023, 028,
    15) 019, 016, 025, 085, 102, 011,
    16) 048, 076, 009, 092, 012,
    17) 057, 007, 018, 041, 014, 018, 011, 007, 011, 011, 008, 006, 011,
    18) 169, 063, 031,
    19) 044, 056, 018, 008, 046, 040, 002, 038, 009,
    20) 078, 047, 009, 090,
    21) 002, 028, 045, 084, 015, 003, 046, 012,
    22) 009, 045, 011, 039, 026, 068, 008, 022,
    23) 013, 038, 008, 010, 011, 008, 001, 057, 003, 087, 008,
    24) 008, 030, 039, 006, 001, 033, 011, 011, 076, 002,
    25) 032, 138, 094,
    26) 012, 004, 055, 023, 028, 029, 003, 031, 044,
    27) 018, 029, 105, 044, 043, 011, 010,
    28) 085, 029, 028,
    29) 021, 010, 030, 036, 018, 021, 011, 029, 031, 023, 024,
    30) 037, 025, 010, 049, 076, 065,
    31) 034, 008, 004, 022, 013, 063, 045,
    32) 090, 017, 051, 030, 012, 001, 007, 038,
    33) 040, 030, 004, 145,
    34) 014, 029, 007, 006, 047, 057, 030, 001, 060, 006,
    35) 003, 014, 006, 082, 008, 018, 073, 061,
    36) 026, 010, 009, 004, 018, 052, 024, 005, 030, 021, 003,
    37) 006, 005, 042, 034, 024, 052, 031, 017, 030, 012,
     
  14. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Not so good.

    01) 157, 011, 099,
    02) 039, 002, 011, 006, 033, 095, 001,
    03) 095, 145, 015,
    04) 004, 016, 005, 002, 002, 064, 072, 006, 012, 033, 064,
    05) 028, 070, 052, 043, 049, 043, 021, 019,
    06) 101, 026, 037, 003, 055, 077, 006,
    07) 015, 228,
    08) 001, 023, 042, 020, 010, 012, 073, 032, 035, 011, 032,
    09) 022, 054, 226, 012, 007,
    10) 055, 018, 039, 044, 065, 005, 019, 033,
    11) 007, 003, 110, 018, 002, 070, 021, 051, 034,
    12) 005, 028, 073, 003, 001, 022, 009, 020, 031, 035, 007, 004, 011, 025, 015,
    13) 063, 016, 013, 010, 014, 013, 033, 017, 039, 038, 015, 037,
    14) 099, 036, 018, 022, 005, 002, 023, 028, 046, 044,
    15) 019, 016, 025, 085, 102, 011,
    16) 048, 076, 009, 092, 012, 047, 008, 027,
    17) 057, 007, 018, 041, 014, 018, 011, 007, 011, 011, 008, 006, 011, 061, 002, 037,
    18) 169, 063, 031, 009,
    19) 044, 056, 018, 008, 046, 040, 002, 038, 009, 009, 024, 004, 014,
    20) 078, 047, 009, 090,
    21) 002, 028, 045, 084, 015, 003, 046, 012, 042,
    22) 009, 045, 011, 039, 026, 068, 008, 022, 058, 009,
    23) 013, 038, 008, 010, 011, 008, 001, 057, 003, 087, 008, 074,
    24) 008, 030, 039, 006, 001, 033, 011, 011, 076, 002, 087, 005,
    25) 032, 138, 094, 024, 013, 027,
    26) 012, 004, 055, 023, 028, 029, 003, 031, 044, 093,
    27) 018, 029, 105, 044, 043, 011, 010, 008, 043,
    28) 085, 029, 028, 145, 010, 016,
    29) 021, 010, 030, 036, 018, 021, 011, 029, 031, 023, 024, 049, 012, 011, 003,
    30) 037, 025, 010, 049, 076, 065, 013, 032,
    31) 034, 008, 004, 022, 013, 063, 045,
    32) 090, 017, 051, 030, 012, 001, 007, 038, 027, 017, 020,
    33) 040, 030, 004, 145, 050,
    34) 014, 029, 007, 006, 047, 057, 030, 001, 060, 006, 019, 024,
    35) 003, 014, 006, 082, 008, 018, 073, 061, 001, 027, 024,
    36) 026, 010, 009, 004, 018, 052, 024, 005, 030, 021, 003, 122, 003,
    37) 006, 005, 042, 034, 024, 052, 031, 017, 030, 012, 043,
     

  15. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Need to make the software flat bet and add the step results.
     
  16. delectus

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    I think what you have worked out is really good. Unfortunately I have to do everything by hand.

    I will produce a chart soon. It won't relate to your charts, but hopefully it will be of some interest
    and will explain what I am trying to achieve.

    I am thinking about a basic version of the model I use. It will require programming and will explain
    in another topic. If it gets off the ground, there will be a full explanation, so everyone knows how it
    works.
     
  17. Nathan Detroit

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    Gizmotron is doing an excellent job presenting his charts
    Thirty t five years ago at the B & N book store I glanced over some books about roulette methods . What I saw was nothing but charts , charts and I was just about catapulting out of the premises when my eye caught Roulette by John Patrick.


    He explained everything in a very simple language for just any one to understand He explained HOW TO PLAY each of his posted methods in a very simple language that one did not feel to rush off to MIT to listen to one of their Math Genii .


    ND
     
  18. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    This basically is a topic that I have passed up on. I wasn't able to just guess the best spots to make it worth it all. I just had the old software laying around. But what Ken has developed is interesting. His method hunts the super hot streaks. I think that is where hot numbers is a possible way to go too. I just wanted Ken to look at a few Spans between hits from a kind of stand back and see the big picture perspective. He might be able to use data like this. I'm happy with what I'm doing.
     
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  19. Wally Gator

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    Many possible opportunities...
     
  20. Wally Gator

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    For some reason the numbers I highlighted above do not show up as highlighted. Oh well.
     
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