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Baccarat Stadium play 2019 February to August

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Punkcity, Apr 2, 2020.

  1. JacobBlaze

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    punkCity---played using your tips on money/session management, this method is def a grind, you must def have ice in your veins PunkCity to play as much as you do --

    My bet selection need lots of help..but still finished at +11

    I will post each session P/B W/L running total on a separate thread so I dont clutter this one, I played this 10 sessions on a live dealer online site, about 20 seconds per hand , but they only have about 40 hands a shoe, but it goes fast, this 10 sessions span over 13 shoes as i continued my session until I felt comfortable stopping, one of these sessions i was down -10 before recovery kicked in, all flat bet, commission bacarat.

    SESSION 1 39 HANDS +1 TOTAL +1
    SESSION 2 12 HANDS +2 TOTAL +3
    SESSION 3 21 HANDS +1 TOTAL +4
    SESSION 4 41 HANDS +2 TOTAL +6
    SESSION 5 37 HANDS +1 TOTAL +7
    SESSION 6 11 HANDS +1 TOTAL +8
    SESSION 7 23 HANDS +1 TOTAL +9
    SESSION 8 56 HANDS -2 TOTAL +7
    SESSION 9 13 HANDS +2 TOTAL +9
    SESSION 10 11 HANDS +2 TOTAL +11

    thanks
     
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  2. Punkcity

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    Nice work JacobBlaze , I have had the luxury of doing this now for some years. I guess to most it appears as you say , others just tell me what I’m doing is boring. All good. Iam extremely confident in what I do and I have stated via previous posts the safe guards I have in place really do help me. Some may think it’s excessive, weird or nonsensical, nevertheless I am kept in check by them.
    —I also know that it works ( whatever it is ) as you see by posts some days down but mostly up a couple of units. I have never lost all 5 daily bankroll in a single day, week or month. I have the direct evidence that you lack at the moment, but initially I to was semi skeptic as I was waiting for the black swan to appear, we all know that they are always there ,as you are also quite rightly being tentative as you don’t really know what you have at this point in time.
    -A question for you , as you are writing everything down ( I had quick look on your thread, nice format) at this point in time are you noting on paper why you made that choice? I appreciate you forecasted your bet ( excellent strategy imho) but at this initial stage of understanding write WHY you chose it , you have the what now list the why . It’s those why’s that will hone your selection criteria. It will be an epiphany moment.
    I would not necessarily post the why’s, as I have not completely posted the why’s I use, other than I changed on a trigger for my next bet etc as per game posted and analysts details given. I think you’ll appreciate what I’m not saying here after you’re epiphany.
    —Also on your thread are the first bets at the exact start of shoe ? First hand dealt after burn card or are you waiting for all Macau x 3 screen to be up and in motion? I do appreciate you are playing a approximately 40-50 hand shoe it is doable and at 20seconds excellent work. When you play at real table again you will appreciate the stadiums as you can see that time is money and table becomes boring and slow as mentally your selection are so much quicker etc.
    — And once you flat bet unit is higher after you become confident with what you’re selecting you will see that the 3 hours of play you posted on your thread was +11x $500 = $5500 or @$200=$2200 etc. you understand what I’m not saying. Take your time there are still a few weeks before casino are fully functional, hone that why skill.
    Cheers
     
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  3. Punkcity

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    Also to be ten units down then bring back to finish +11 units is pretty rewarding don’t you think? You just be ready for when you get that +10 in one shoe then another +5,then a +20 in a single shoe and you end the 3 session with a total of+35, in 40 minutes max. Those situations occur often as you see from posts this thread. Cheers
     
  4. JacobBlaze

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    Thank you

    I play throughout the day whenever my other responsibilities are quieted down (family/pets) etc (lol) and whenever i fire up the casino if its less than 20-25 hands i start playing, or i wait for a new shoe, i start immediately not waiting for Macau. Im trying to look at it as infinite bac but not RNG. Its hard to keep betting on 9 straight losses and not knowing if it will come back, but i was inspired by your long games that you finish at +1 or even after 50+hands played etc. This was a quick test (not so quick after 10 sessions) to flat bet and see if i can make it up through the swings. And only had a 20 unit bankroll on the site. I wish i had an exotic bet selection but i dont, havent found anything that works good for me yet.
    I was up +5/+4 on some of those sessions but quit at +1/+2 adhering to the +3 trailing profit.

    just fired up this session (11th) as i was typing this and as soon as I quit it went straight to +7 etc, i stopped watching, which i know u recommended somewhere on this thread, but +4 is great. the missed bets were both losers but I was typing this so I forgot my bet.

    P T T E
    P P W 1
    P P W 2
    B B W 3
    P B L 2
    P B L 1
    B B W 2
    B missed
    B B L 1
    P B W 2
    P P W 3
    P missed
    B B W 4
    P B L 3
    B B W 4
    B B W 5
    B P L 4
    B P L 3
    B B W 4
     
  5. Punkcity

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    Don’t look at it as anything other than what it is. This is the silent pressure we put ourselves under, when we don’t recognise that we cannot break the loop of falling down the never ending rabbit holes that open up before us. You have tried to make a finite game 40-50 hands into a infinite game millions of continuous hands +1, not going to work. We are now talking lemons versus rockmelon, you have inadvertently drifted away from your post on page 4or 5 this thread where you are starting to grasp the macua screen principle, which is the sole basis of my bet selection, to not waiting for the Macau screen to develop. Now you are using another selection criteria, I see this with many people the subtle shifting of focus actually changing the parameters ever so slightly. Hence you have jumped from one rabbit hole into another different rabbit hole.
    —The limited shoe your playing is very doable if you but wait for Macau to kick in. This was another reason I stopped progression betting you run out of shoe and your at a huge negative unit (sometimes). Totally fucks the mind up. The flat bet works on the limited shoe as you can generally see if the shoe is working or not , with the appropriate safeguards in place you can manage the risk. This is actually how I came to accepting the +1 or +2 units profit or the 1or2 unit losses by playing the finite game, also by not necessarily playing to the end of the shoe. It also allowed me to capture those easy +4 or +10 that happens very early in the shoe. It does take a mental discipline, it does take effort to say I’m at +2 next loss I finished this session lock up *1 profit. Or I’m at -4 next loss I stop =-5 units not a big defect to recover maybe next game or two.
    —Most of us are damaged goods . We have years of luggage we carry around from this job we do. That’s the part that trips people up. You know you have to make up all the money you lost in the past in this next session is the unsaid thoughts in most people mindset. I was the same. But by the inch it’s a cinch by the mile it’s a trial.
    -I would try not to multi task. Play the session , focused play the only way. I would write longhand in a note pad as opposed to swapping between screens while I played online. As the next bet is really my focused attention.Please take this as an observation on my part only and you are totally free to disagree as per usual. Remember there is no correct or incorrect in this job.
    Cheers.
     
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    Carryover running bank H+89

    A=16/04/2019_______H+89

    B55,C35,D59,E+29,F-30,G-2,H+87
    B63,C35,D71,E+42,F-29,G+10,H+97
    B32,C36,D41,E+23,F-18,G+5,H+102
    B65,C37,D92,E+60,F-32,G+28,H+130

    K=215minutes

    End of day profit =+41 units
    End of day running bank H+130

    Cheers
     
  7. Punkcity

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    This is what it’s all about, being able to be fully funded to capture the +20 unit game that occurs when it comes around.
    Cheers
     
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    Carryover bankroll H+130

    A=20/04/2019_______H+130

    B70,C39,D86, E+45,,F-41,G+4,H+134
    B50,C40,D72,E+37,F-35,G+2,H+136

    K=120 minutes

    End of day profit =+6 units
    End of day running bank H+136

    A=26/04/2019_______H+136

    B40,C41,D61,E+32,F-29,G+2.H+138
    B32,C42,D44,E+23,F-21,G+2,H+140

    K=72 minutes

    End of day profit =+4 unit
    End of day running bank H+140

    A=27/04/2019_______H+140

    B7,C43,D11,E+8,F-3,G+5,H+145
    B35,C44,D49,E+31,F-18,G+13,H+158
    B8,C45,D19,E+10,F-9,G+1,H+159
    B5,C46,D7,E+5,F-2,G+3,H+162

    K =55 minutes

    End of day profit =+22 units
    End of day running bank H+162

    A=28/04/2019_______H+162

    B55,C47,D66,E+38,F-28,G+8,H+170
    B45,C48,D53,E+21,F-32,G-13,H+157
    B11,C49,D14,E=11,F-3,G+8,H+165
    B36,C50,D51,E+30,F-21,G+8,H+173

    K=141 minutes

    End of day profit =+11 units
    End of day running bank H+173.

    Next post end of month summary plus totals from the 3 months posted
    Cheers
     
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    Ok here are the April 2019 numbers. I haven’t broken them down into the weekly format this time around.
    A=01/04/2019_____28/04/2019=15 days
    B total time played=1175 minutes =19:6 hours
    C total games =50
    D total hands played = 1835
    E total Won hands =1015
    F total lost hands = 821
    G/H total profit = +176

    This is the month average
    Average time p/day 19:6/15 =1:3 hr/day
    Average game p/day =50/15=3:3games
    Average hands played p/day =1835/15=122:3 hands
    Average won hand/ day =1015/15=67:7
    Average lost hand p/day=821/15= 54:7
    Average profit p/day =176/15=11:7 units
    Average units profit per hour =176/19:6=8:9 units per hour.
    The unit value is $300x 176=$52800

    Our locked up betting bankroll plus carryover profit is as follows
    Betting Bankroll =$15000
    Carry profit =$75400, feb/March
    April profit =$52800
    Grand total =$143200

    This was an interesting month as you can see the half price banker wins really kicked in this month it was about 18 or more half price wins. Whereas March very few 1/2 price, variance is always there. Although not listed this month huge amount of ties which did effect the time averaging. The progression betting/ martingale would have also been impacted had we played that way.

    As you know this is stadium 20 second game play.
    As per usual I’m flat betting
    April unit value is $300.
    Next post will be a brief comparison of some points fro the three months posted play.
    Cheers
     
  10. Punkcity

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    April was a lower return than March, even though we used a $300 unit value. Some points of note
    18 x1/2 price bank wins
    3 days less play
    7 hours less play
    600 less hands played **
    24 less games played **
    April here in Australia has many public holiday so that cuts about 5 days from my work schedule. I don’t play in crowds of gamblers as per previous posts stated. I can but I choose as a rule not to play.

    This is the three months total listed as 3 entry representing the three months, February, March, April.

    Total days =21,18,15=54days
    Total time =895,1599,1175=61:1 hours
    Total games =84,74,50=208 game
    Total hands played =1589,2435,1835=5859 hands
    Total win hands=916,1381,1015=3312 winner hands
    Total lost hands =670,1025,821=2516 lost hand
    Total units won =234,335,176=745 units won.
    This is the 3 month average

    Average day p/month =54/3=18 days
    Average time p/day =61 hrs/54=1:12 hrs per day
    Hardly a grind
    Average game p/day =208/54=3:8 games
    Average hands play p/day =5859/54=108 hands
    Average won hands p/day =3312/54=61:3 won
    Average hands Lost p/day =2516/54=46:6 lost hands
    Average unit won p/day =745/54=13:7 units won. Average month until VALUE =$143200/ 745=$192:1
    Average daily profit =13:7x $192=$2630 per day of 1:12 hours of play per day.

    So we play around 20 hour a month ( per our unit posted this thread example) for $48000 per month approximately flat betting, I have been told what I do is boring and it doesn’t work. Each year I see less and less of the people that have said that to me. Perhaps one of my best friend no longer goes yet he will make any excuse he can that the casino robbed him and how they cheat and draw cards at the wrongtime etc . They no longer go there, the very same people that told me that a few hundred a day is not enough are no longer there. They have crashed and burned, some committed suicide, most are broken financially and many saving up the next big bankroll to get all back next time or as my friend does makes false accusations about why they lost.

    -On the above post figures $140000 + is not a grind it’s rather fulfilling. To be honest I’m playing $500 unit for past few years but for the sake of this diary exercise we start at $100 and add a $100 each new month. If you started February at a $10 unit with a initial bank of $500=5x10x$10=$500, by the end of April your account is over $14000 once again $4000 plus per month. Grind on I say. Cheers
     
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    From my experience and this is what I do after a good month say March I do find the following month is a bit more subdued as I have posted earlier this thread.


    Our next post will be for the month of May, we will add an extra $100 to the unit value as per usual. I will churn through this month hopefully rather quickly as it’s an epic month. But June, I really want to post the June month as it’s a totally Exceptional month.

    Our total bank account (includes the betting bankroll ) =$143200
    We will deduct the bankroll needed for the new month betting unit value of $400 =5x 10x $400=$20000. Leaving us a holding profit bank of $123200.
    Cheers
     
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    Thanks will work on refocusing.

    Can you elaborate on what you mean by this? Are you saying that it's all just one big continuous game?

    "You have tried to make a finite game 40-50 hands into a infinite game millions of continuous hands +1, not going to work."
     
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    Great work and write up as always. Thanks.
     
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    Always with the good questions, I read this some hours ago and had to really have a think to answer it.

    I’m not sure how to really answer but I will give it a shot. It may take a couple of posts. My apologies if that’s the case.

    What I initially noticed when I started this process that I use for the last few years (and have been posting the results to on this thread) was that I was dammed if I played the finite game ( table) and I was also dammed if I didn’t and to cap it off it is the same for the infinity RNG stadium game . No real surprise there I hear everyone say .

    On the table you can wait for the hands to be dealt the minimum is 4 hands (not counting ties) and the extreme can be 15 or 20 hands play before Macau kicks in. In the later you are already up to a third of the way through the 8 deck shoe after you count burn cards ( max ten min 1 card )plus ties to that point not discounting that most of the results can be a 6 card draw result. Happens. Yes if you’re friends with the dealer he/she may pop the lid to let you look at the cut card penetration and to give you a visual on the number of cards left before the cut card. As you should be able to estimate the number of hands by the number of decks left either by discard tray or the look in the coup. As any blackjack card counter can do easily.
    So you make up rules to guide your play. Example I will only play 20 hands max ( we both came to this conclusion independently of each other 4 years apart as posted this thread ) because we know that the shoe can end abruptly at any time. This has become a hard and fast rule which may or may not cause lots of damage to the bankroll , usually it does because you abide by the rules ,as one must . Either in this situation 20 max you are down lots of units but must stop( rules) or near even or up many units stop rules.

    Conversely you have no rules you play the whole shoe because it has a start and an ending so you get a definite result you win or lose or a rarity even. The dammed if you do part.
    So you start to think play the infinity million hands RNG stadium game. All of a sudden you have access to infinity ( I think the guys at marvel comics played stadium and got the idea for thanos haaaaaahaaaa) and you play 300 hands straight I have and more. You can guess the rest . You walk up to the screen as many as 90 hands have already been played and you can start betting as soon as you put money in the machine. And know that it’s not going to end . The million hands plus one post . That’s the dammed if don’t play table and also the dammed if you do play stadiums rng.

    So you cannot play the long game on the finite shoe only 50-80 hands max even on 8 deck shoe. And you cannot successful play the 200-300 plus hands straight on stadium pure degenerate gambling action.

    The problem is you can’t really train yourself on one format of the game ( ie table) to be used as a correct procedure for another format RNG , it can certainly give you insight on how to adapt to the format of choice. Yes it is the same game of bank or player it’s baccarat for sure but it is definitely different table versus RNG. The application is modified. I have stated previously my preference for RNG . I have stated many rules I put in place most for RNG. My best approach is to treat the situation unfolding in front of me within the guidelines I have set for myself.
    - As an example of limiting to 20 hands play on table to simulate RNG stadium creates a completely different mindset that’s not understood until you actually play that way on the RNG . Yes you can see from posted results I have played game as few as 3 hands at +1,+2 units and stop , many games at 7,10,15,20,25,30 and even 80 hands plus. This is playing the situation that unfolds not a predetermined rigidity from the mental influence of a finite table style of play .

    With the RNG you can stop betting, sit and watch then begin to nominate your bet again and start betting again some ten twenty even 30 hands later . This was my initial transition from table to RNG after I realised the parameters ( rules) I had set on the shortish table game was not working per say on the RNG million hand game. By watching the hands being played without betting (RNG) then start betting , actually made me realise that I did not need to be mentally working watching this unfold. I did not need to be physically present to watch the 30-100 hands I could take a break come back and start a new game when I’m ready to do so. They have to keep dealing I don’t have to keep betting on every consecutive hand. The betting on every hand was a carryover trait from table play guidelines as you only have a limited opportunity to make cash or not.

    The only thing I still use from the procedures I had in place on the table is my selection criteria, money management flat bet , and leave the game when I need to. As opposed to ending the game because I ran out of shoe.

    When I play table now it’s a little different to my RNG money maker. If I notice a shoe as per previous posts on my way to a break or I’m doing the slut day play that is established as in my terms crap I might stop and watch and target bet for a unit if it wins continue if lost stop. Depending on number of hands played already I may just not play that shoe. Especially if it looked to my procedure as being good but now not , I wouldn’t even bother.

    I’m not sure if this is helpful nor do I know if it even makes sense as I post it you only have a couple of minutes to re edit so some of the content may be out of context. I will reread and maybe post again if needed. But my apologies in advance if the post is just nonsensical .
    Cheers
     
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    Perhaps you can use the table game to set the habit of sticking to your rules. As I don’t set unit goals per game/shoe I use the various rules/guidelines I have to be the handbrake on play and so leave when it’s time. From previous table play years ago I worked out you on average make 2units per shoe, regardless of bet size , selection criteria etc. That could be the reason for my easy acceptance of +1or +2 units aspect of my current gameplay/ mindset .

    For yourself on the table game maybe I would leave at a +1,+2 units as a practice aspect of the RNG game. Same at-1,-2 or at even to establish a discipline of sorts. I would paper trade the shoe for now, to ease any attachment to actual loss of money, write longhand all thoughts as why etc as you make decisions, play the shoe to the end only if you are in a positive stop profit for THAT shoe only not the current level of prior loss/ profit for the day. That may help you to play what is in front of you rather than what your expectations of the way you think the shoe should be. River flow rather than channel sort of thing.
    Cheers
     
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    thank you and yes it makes sense
     

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