Craps Strange dice and stranger throws

To be honest, I find this Dice Influence feud to be very strange, but also very telling.

First, I have an psych degree along side with a Computer studies. However, mostly I can look at situations with a more detached point of view.


People who are chronic losers tend to blame outside of themselves as for the reasons of their problems, and often what they cite as the problem is only an emotionally charged situation that actual has nothing to do with there problems. This is often called projection or transference in the psyco-babble talk

But, sometimes they are right and what they are calling out is indeed the source of the problem.

This is why when someone says, "hey, the casinos use bias dice" one cannot dismiss so readily as a losers mental instability. Those who dismiss a persons claims without proper investigation are, in my humble opinion, more mentally unstable than the person they are judging as unstable.

Logic has to upheld here.

The investigation must first methodologically and exhaustively discount the persons claims. In the case of Bias Dice I first had to ask, "how does one detect bias dice?"

Asking some math guys and other scientist, the answer was to "go record 1,000 rolls and see dice line up with expected odds". Everyone agreed that 1,000 rolls was sufficient enough of a sample to make a conclusion with.

So, I recorded 1,000 rolls of a casino with suspected bias dice. I recorded separate charts for the types of dice (dark red dice or frosty red dice) since this particular casino only used the two types.

With the results in, the data clearly pointed to that the dice where indeed biased. The dark red dice had an SRR (sevens-to-rolls-ratio) of 5.9 (the standard is 6.1) and outside rolls far exceeded the expected odds where as the 5 and 9 far under performed for what they should have been. Thus I labeled these dice as "crappy dice" since far more craps rolled with them than normal.

The second set of dice I recorded was the frosty red dice. These dice have and SRR of 5.1 with the six and nine exceeding expectation, and the seven way overshooting its expected odds as well. I ended up calling these "ice dice" due to the sevens they would produce.

My second means of Investigating these dice was to send them down to a Las Vegas expert who had the tools to measure the dice. It was found that the dice where 20 mm in size, interesting since the standard dice in Las Vegas run 19 mm. The dice where also greatly imbalanced with a heavy six face and once of the dice I sent of the same serial number had a heavy one face.

Lastly, I asked the a dealer who I have earned their trust about the dice and they admitted that the dice tend to 'run cool' and that the casino knows this about the dice.

With all that, I felt I had enough qualified logic and probability to deem that the casino uses bias dice.

What shocked me the most was that the so called 'Dice gurus' out there totally refused to acknowledge that bias dice exist, and became so irrational in the denials of such dice as to banish me from their boards, to ridicule me in public and to make it clear to those who wish to be in their community that if they even think that bias dice exist that they too will be banished.

My only intent to post my results about my dice studies was to warn the players that such dice are out there.

I did not imply that all dice used at all casinos where biased, I had no proof of that. But what I did say was that "it is possible' that some lower end casinos might use them, or that unregulated casinos might use them (such as a few notorious Mexican Casinos do, as well as some State Side Indian Reservations casinos).

However, the dice gurus out there simply choose to label me as a Heretic, all for reasons I could only suspect to protect their business interest of selling dice seminars to hopeful and aspiring gamblers. Yes, the skill of Dice Influence.


Does Dice Influence work?
This is the idea that setting the dice so that there are only two ways to make a seven, tossing dice that spin on-axis, a slight backspin toss, that will hit the table then the diamond back wall and stay on axis will avoid the seven.

All that the shooter needs to do is achieve an SRR (sevens-to-rolls-ratio) of 6.5 to gain a 4% edge over the house. In craps, that 4% is huge a difference of winning a few hundred to winning a few thousand.

But.... can it be done?

After my own study and practice of this technique I have concluded that the Diamond back wall essentially destroys any "on-axis" toss that may have existed up and until a hit on the back wall. Shooters who claim success with an On-axis toss do so with short throws, or those that only strike the bottom lip of the back wall and not the diamonds themselves. Many casinos will quickly call out a shooter who shoots like that, and will take away their shooting privileges if they continue. Not much of an advantage there if you are not allowed to shoot.

Some dice gurus claim that the backwall is not an issue, that the dice will strike the backwall diamonds uniformly and behave as if it was a straight smooth wall. I found that with a 7-diamond back wall, a tighter formation of diamonds, that the dice would strike in a similar fashion and could retain the on-axis formation they had, but not so with the 5-diamond back wall. Furthermore, the materials of the backwall, as to how firm it is, would greatly impact the dice where as a firm backwall would reflect a lot of energy back in tot he dice, thus launching them in random directions and further back to the center of the table, where as a softer backwall would absorb the energy of the dice causing them to fall and die aright at the backwall.

This lead me to understand that to be effective with DI you are essentially shopping backwalls.

Other factors such as table surface bounciness and table length significantly impacted the dice ability to retain its on-axis momentum.

Other issues as your own fatigue, state of mind, state of the environment you are playing in, table crowd, and if the casino is giving you heat or not... all come in as factors to the success or not of ones ability to toss the dice and keep them on-axis.

Lastly, the balance of the dice is critical. Unbalanced dice will tend to fly apart and rotate off-axis while in the air. When that happens, there is little a shooter can do other than find a different table that uses different dice.

My conclusion is that Dice Influence is improbable to successfully implement in the long run to have any meaningful impact on anyone bankroll. Finding a table that meets the requirements is about as rare as finding a six-deck .28 blackjack game with 90% penetration and no heat.

I do think that an avid player who has the time to scout and test tables may find a few tables out there in Las Vegas where the way they toss will have some effect with. Will they have the advantage? This is very hard to say unless someone was honestly tracking their rolls. From what I have read where people have done this the highest SRR recorded for an in-casino rolling was 6.1, and that not enough to gain the advantage but enough to pull the house edge down to zero.

All in all, dice setting and tossing is fun. It tends to show people at the table that you have put time to develop your craps skills, and that you have care for the game. It is in my opinion a worthy thing to learn, if just only for the elegance of the toss.

 

I want to add about shooting methods:
There is also the high Lob the shooter can use where the dice simply strike right next to the back wall with a downward force and the energy of the dice is absorbed in the table, where then the dice only glance off the backwall then down to rest. Casinos counter this with a 'No Lobbing" rule or saying that the dice cannot be any higher than the box persons eyes.

 

In this day & age You'd better know how to bet the Game, Because DI'ng just doesn't "Cut it" any more. Trampoline-Like Layouts, Imbalanced Dice, Unnecessary Scrutiny for "Those" that are trying to Influence the Dice, Equates to this....... Maybe it's Smarter to just stay at Home & watch T.V. instead! It's difficult to Gain Influence with "Fair" Dice on a "Neutral" Bounce Table. A MOMUMENTAL task trying to Replicate a Influenced Toss on Micro Fiber, Closed Cell Foam, & God knows "What Else" the Casinos are using Nowadays. The "Unbalanced" Dice are the "Nails In the Coffin". Too bad it's the ONLY game in town when you are trying to Make a little Money, Huh? Now they've even gone so far as to "Screw Up" Black Jack! May as well just turn all the Casinos into "Circus" Tents! Especially since most Patrons are Considered "Bozo The Clown" Anyways.