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Discussion in 'Lounge' started by AxelWolf, Jun 30, 2016.

  1. AxelWolf

    AxelWolf Well-Known Member

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    While reading a post I noticed a female chimed in. Her comment just struck me as very generic and overly supportive, almost like someone was just trying to create superficial spamy content. Then I got to thinking there was an unusual amount of females on this site compared to most other gambling forums.

    So went and picked the first random(ok not sure how random it was, but you the the point) female I could find. She just so happened to be fairly young and attractive(Imagine that). I did a google image search.... and what did I find? She was on many different webpages, with many diffrent names, occupations, from many diffrent locations and so forth. Wow so young so well traveled and so many careers.

    So i checked into a few more including some names and found some interesting things one was on a hot list for forum spammers from India. I found many different strange things like 0 0 0 posts comments or activities signed up from the same suspicion locations. Many work in the same profession(NOT GAMBLING).

    I could be wrong(probably not) about any particular person, so i wont mention names or give individual examples. I say do the research yourself and come to your own conclusion.

    PS. I researched a few "FOUNDING" members and well I was shocked at what I found.

    Perhaps I read too much into it when they first invited me and others(now i realize it was just top posters from any forum?, seriously a scratch off lotto experte? ), the PM made it seem as if this site was being built BY some of the biggest gambling experts and notable gamblers(I will try to find the invite, I have over 300 PMs on WOV so I'll have to search hard to find it) But Honestly I thought they said a group of gambling experts wanted to build a forum together. I guess I Imagined a few notable gambling experts all got together and wanted to start a gambling forum(I also thought it could have been a complete BS SPAM FORUM, AND YES IT WAS CLEVER SPAM. I Didn't realize this was a complete cookie cutter forum)

    I just want to know what the plans are for this forum? why was it started? what's the main end goal?
     
  2. Admin Team

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    If they spammed elsewhere but are not spamming here, then we won't take action here for a "crime" committed elsewhere. As soon as they start spamming here, we will take action here. If you notice any such spam, please click the "Report" link on the post to bring it to our attention.

    It was not just the top members of different Gambling Forums that were invited, it was also the top experts across all Gambling fields that were invited and who joined us. So this is far from cookie cutter as there is no Gambling Forum in the world that has the caliber of Founding Members our site has and it is truly unprecedented. For example, Bob Dancer recently joined WOV, but he is a Founding Member here and even invited a colleague of his to also join us. Our press release has more details about the Founding Members, but below is the relevant part:
    That being said, we cannot force the Founding Members to actively participate, so if the rest of the members don't create a community that is conducive to their participation, then that will be their loss. As outsiders to the Gambling industry, we won't influence the discourse one way or another other than to keep it organized.

    Our future is determined by our members. This site truly is what our members make of it. We have no Gambling knowledge to share, so it's up to our members to share their knowledge, build this community, and set the tone knowing they won't be hindered one way or another. Our domain name is renewed until 2024 as that was the longest period we could renew it for, so we aren't going anywhere and are in it for the long haul.

    We noticed that a lot of the top gambling forums were run by people in the industry, and that led to biased and censored communities with an unproductive and unhealthy amount of groupthink. So we saw an opportunity for an uncensored gambling community open to all points of view where the top minds could unleash their knowledge without fear of being censored.

    We also noticed that the majority of gambling forums were focused on only one gambling field, so we saw an opportunity to build the most comprehensive and exciting gambling community in the world by encompassing every single aspect of the gambling industry in one single place while simultaneously bringing together the best minds across each specialty to exploit synergies between them and foster an open community with the breadth and depth to discuss, discover, learn, and thrive together among all schools of thought. Why have separate poker, blackjack, roulette, baccarat, and craps forum sites, for example, when you can have one site that covers everything and requires only one account? Convenience aside, there are often synergies between gambling fields which is why it makes sense to discuss everything in one place rather than having different sites for each one. The unique money management techniques posted by one skilled Blackjack player from one part of the world. for instance, could perhaps be learned, adapted, and applied to Poker by the members of our Poker forum from the other side of the globe. When those discussions happen on separate sites, however, those synergies are often missed. In contrast, when everything is happening in one place, it only takes a single click to open up a whole new world that could spark new and fascinating interrelational discoveries and perspectives that all our members can benefit from. That's the beauty of the internet and one we intend to fully exploit.

    So that's the basic idea behind GamblingForums.com and why we're confident that with the right people, and given enough time, we can make this the greatest gambling community the world has ever seen. The idea is to make GamblingForums.com a genuine breath of fresh air in the industry with a unique approach and management style that gets the community fully involved in the direction and growth of the site.

    We are just the folks behind the camera. Our members are the leading actors.

    To become the most influential Gambling Community in the world where any and all gambling topics can be discussed and where all gamblers are welcomed.
     
  3. AxelWolf

    AxelWolf Well-Known Member

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    Why did it seem as if this site was started by some of the top leaders in the industry?
    Why didn't the invite say WE are outsiders inviting people to ......

    End goal as far as making money is what I meant. I mean how does this site plan to make a profit? Is it non profit? if so, will it remain non profit? You know what im asking, please answer honestly. I dont care if you want or need to make a profit, I just want to know how and what direction that will be.
     
  4. AxelWolf

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    I'm not saying they are spammers. It just seems like they are plants and or fake, if they are real people, they never had or have any intentions of actually participating.

    Of course some of the top people joined, they too probably thought it was being started by some of the top people in the gambling industry and they wanted to be a part of that. You(the people who started the site) stroked egos and that brang in many people(genius). It was a great marketing plan/ruse. I do think whatever it is that you guys did was very clever and smart.
     
  5. freddy

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    Try not to over think it, Axel. I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

    I'm sure the admins appreciate your help but I think they've got it.

    Spam huh? Have you seen the fake ID guys here week in and week out? No you haven't. How about the hundreds of others selling everything from body enhancement to real wood furniture? No you haven't. Does the same banned member regularly return under one of his 50 or 60 different names with a wink wink by the dishonest mods ? No he doesn't. Do you see where I'm going with this?

    Do we have incompetent mods here? No we don't. They don't fall for the childish WOV mentality. No one here does except the cult members who were sent by you know who.
     
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  6. MrV

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    The question that was not fully answered: "What's in it for you?"

    The site owners are not gamblers, so they have no personal interest in the board: it's not an "ego-thing" or an extension of a hobby interest.

    So then: why bother?

    I see no way for them to make money off the board in its current form as there are no ads / banners, no sponsors.

    Perhaps their goal is to build the site over time, and when it hits "critical mass" then allow ads / banners / sponsors, and start making money when the community is bigger.

    Or maybe they want to grow it and then sell it, like the Wiz did.

    Surely, knowing human nature as I do, they must have SOME expectation of making a profit off of this board.

    Hello, business plan.
     
  7. Admin Team

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    Our Founding Members joined our site before the Forums you see today were even created, so those top minds in the industry very much started our site. When the Founding Members joined, there was only one section of the site, a private section only accesible to the Founding Members. There was nothing else on the site. We then consulted with the Founding Members to determine the structure of the site you see today with the Lounge and all the different Forums for Casinos, Poker, Blackjack, etc. Our site became viewable to the public only after we created that structure with the help of the Founding Members.

    Because it doesn't matter who or what we are. What mattered to the Founding Members is that they were personally selected to join an exclusive community that was inviting the top minds in the industry to create something new that they would have a say in shaping.

    They are certainly not plants or fakes as each Founding Member was contacted directly by us and sent an individual invitation, a process which was incredibly time-consuming. One would have to experience that process to truly appreciate how significant of an undertaking it was. Regarding their intentions, we cannot say and that would be for each of them to answer. What we did realize not too long after launching is that -- in general -- the more famous a person was, the less they participated. This is particularly the case when there is little activity on the site. However, as we reach Critical Mass and become an influential Gambling community, we believe even the more famous Founding Members will be more active as they will have more reasons to participate. As for the non-Founding Members who joined after we opened up our community to the public, we did not research or invite them so we do not know who they are or where they come from, but suffice it to say that the vast majority of actual spammers are caught by our advanced Spam Filters before our members even see them.

    Thank you.

    See below:
    Precisely this. We have a long-term profit motive, but to get us to profitability and sustain us there we need to listen to our members and give them what they want so that our community grows continuously to reach that critical mass that will entice advertisers. We are strong believers in creating win-win-win propositions where our members win by having the type of community they want, advertisers win by having a targeted and active site where they can place their unobtrusive ads, and we win by earning a profit from those ads to compensate us for our work and investment.
     

  8. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    The win/win philosophy is not on alot of sites where they feel they are doing you a favor by being available to you.

    Its a novel philosophy in this industry. Ihope it works
     
  9. AxelWolf

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    I'm not saying the founding members are plants of fakes I'm talking about SOME of the "female members". I definitely found a few FAKES. Feel free to research that yourself, look up a few of the female names and pictures. You will find some have multiple personal names from many diffrent locations. I explained more in my OP.

    Can you give me a few examples of Notable founding members and how they help make decisions about an shape the site? I talked to a few notable founding member experts and they were confused at even the mention of this site. It was an... "oh ya that site:confused:" Moment Other than they too thought the site was owned and started by a few of the TOP GAMBLING EXPERTS IN THE FIELD.

    OK so this site will be used to Advertize things like online casinos etc etc. And all the same concerns that people had about WOV when it was sold will be the same here. IE will my Email address be given out or sold, will I be spammed etc etc. Will the rules be changed once you start advertizing? IE one of your sponsors back out because they see something highly offencive and want it removed? Will we be totally uncensored when or if we start bashing advertisers and sponsors ?

    Is there a possibility the site will ever be sold?

    What Steps will you take to weed out rogue advertisers.

    Will you allow unproven betting system sellers to advertise?
     
  10. Admin Team

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    They can use fake avatars and lie about their gender or birthdates, but as long as they follow the rules and don't spam or use multiple accounts, then there's not much we can do about that. We certainly aren't going to ban someone for using a fake avatar or lying about their gender or birthdates. Some experienced gamblers may have a genuine reason for wanting to stay anonymous and we'll respect that. The only part we're concerned with is IP addresses to avoid multiple accounts because we do not want our uncensored nature to be abused by individuals misrepresenting support or opposition to something or someone by using more than one account. So if someone is suspected of having multiple accounts and we notice that one of those accounts is connecting via a VPN or Proxy to hide their real IP, then we may limit that account until they stop connecting via a VPN or Proxy.

    Unfortunately that would be betraying their trust as those discussions happened behind closed doors in the private section of the site for Founding Members, so we won't discuss any specifics that happened behind those closed doors. Notice how in our Press Release we never used their names as we respect their privacy. From a marketing perspective, it would certainly have been more advantageous for us to use their names, particularly since some of them are celebrities, but we chose not to, especially since not all famous Founding Members registered with their real names.

    We cannot speak regarding the confusion of those Founding Members you've spoken to because we did not force any of them to sign up. They signed up of their own volition because they wanted to be a part of this new concept. Many even invited their trusted colleagues and friends to also join us. If anyone is claiming we misrepresented ourselves or GamblingForums.com in any way, then please provide evidence of that because we are not aware of any such misrepresentation and have already clarified in our earlier post above how the Founding Member very much started this site together with us and we could not have done it without them.

    No.

    No.

    No.

    We will never compromise our Uncensored nature with respect to gambling-related discussions because we fully understand that it is one of our main differentiators with respect to other gambling communities, most of which are run by insiders in the gambling industry who will censor discussions that do not necessarily agree with their point of view, product, and/or service. So if we ever compromised our uncensored nature with respect to gambling-related discussions, then we would be shooting ourselves in the foot, and we would lose our members, lose our advertisers, and lose our eventual profits.

    Yes. Keep in mind our level of censorship regarding non-gambling-related discussions has changed. Our original goal was to be uncensored only with respect to gambling-related discussions. Then prominent members became upset that we gave infractions for personal attacks, so we relaxed those rules. Then, more recently, members complained about personal attacks, so we raised the question with our members about how uncensored they wanted us to be. There were a variety of different opinions, so no immediate conclusion was reached. To be clear, we will always be 100% uncensored with respect to gambling-related discussions. However, how uncensored we are with respect to non-gambling-related discussions will be up to our members and what they prefer.

    It is not our intention, but if a buyer made us an offer we couldn't refuse, then we would be foolish not to at least entertain the offer.

    What do you mean by "rogue" advertisers? If you mean someone advertising a potential scam, then we do not have the expertise to determine what is or isn't a scam, so we would leave it up to our members to openly discuss the advertisement and reach a conclusion about the legitimacy of the product or service being advertised. Therefore, we do not expect to reject relevant advertisers, but we also won't censor our members from publicly dissecting what is being advertised. With that in mind, we can't imagine many rogue advertisers paying to peddle their scams on our site considering they will be publicly scrutinized and will therefore experience more lost sales from the backlash than those gained from the actual advertisement they're paying for. So it would do scammers more harm than good to advertise with us due to our uncensored nature.

    We don't foresee restricting advertisements as long as they are relevant to gambling. However, as explained above, the advertisers will be opening themselves up to uncensored scrutiny about their product or services, so those peddling scams will quickly find out their advertising dollars will be better spent elsewhere.


    Keep in mind that we have not given much thought to the profitability of the site because we are in no rush and want to focus on giving our members the type of gambling community they want because we know once we do that, the revenue will follow. We've already received and rejected offers to both advertise on our site and to purchase our site precisely because we're not in this for a quick buck. We want to focus all our efforts on building a best-in-class gambling community for our members before we start considering earning revenue because when a new online venture sees money early on, it tends to get lazy and compromise its principles. Hard work spent building something unique and valuable makes you cherish it and ensures you never compromise your founding principles (e.g. uncensored nature) for the sake of a quick buck.
     

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