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Baccarat Strategies at the beginning of the Shoe

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Rond1nell1, Nov 30, 2021.

  1. Rond1nell1

    Rond1nell1 Active Member

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    I advance that these strategies are not the holy grail.
    It's just 2 strategies I found on the internet and I haven't seen it here and I'm publishing it to help newcomers and more experienced ones can give their opinion if something can be improved.
    And whoever has different strategies to play at the beginning of the shoe will be welcome in this topic.
    Let's go to them:
    The first consists of betting for up to 3 rounds on the first one that appears at the beginning of the shoe.
    If P appears, we follow P. If B appears, we follow B.
    The second is to bet that even in column 3 someone will double.
    Below is an example for both methods in the photo.
    P B P B
    FOR
    For the first method mentioned, you would get it right on the second attempt, P came at the beginning, you would bet on P, lose, Bet again on P and Win.
    And in the second method after coming the initial P you would bet on the doubling of it and lose. Then you would bet on the B fold and lose. Ai would hit on the third attempt betting on P's fold.

    An interesting progression is:
    1 2 1 (Lose only 4 units)
    1 2 1 (Repeat and will have 8 units if you lose 2 in a row)
    2 4 2 (Here the recovery begins)

    It's an interesting strategy I use to apply these methods playing fast online baccarat.
    If I identify that a shoe started going wrong one of these 2 strategies, I hope it ends and I apply it to the next shoe. Game against 2 mistakes in a row of the same strategy.
    As I said, it's not the Holy Grail, but for those looking to earn a little every day it can be interesting.
    I expect collaboration from the most experienced in the game.
    And good luck to everyone on your bets.
     

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  2. Frank Kneeland

    Frank Kneeland Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    Have you applied probability math such as binomial therm to these possible outcomes to gauge the overall expectancy of the stratagem? All gambling related assessments require both an amount and a frequency. It's not enough to know one makes $1,000, one also needs to know if that's per week, per month, or year.
     
  3. Rond1nell1

    Rond1nell1 Active Member

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    I did not carry out any mathematical study.
    I just found the method interesting and posted it here.
    I expect input from the most experienced in the game.
    I'm new to the game and I'm testing methods and looking to learn as much as I can about it.
    I come from poker and I have some experience in roulette, I liked baccarat because it's a simple game but it's still very interesting and full of possibilities.
     
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    Frank Kneeland Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    I applaud this mentality. One should always look at any and all possibilities, this is how we and society move forward.

    The important thing is that you accept what you learn even if it's not what you wanted to hear. The truth is more often than not, other than one would choose.
     
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    Rond1nell1 Active Member

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    I am fully aware that there is no holy grail in games of chance. What we are looking for is methods for exploiting a positive variance in the game.
     
  6. Frank Kneeland

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    I have officially stopped worrying about you...:)

    Be well and take everything with a grain of salt.
     
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    Hi,I am a bit.confused Can u play a few hands,from the beginning of shoe with MM, & where recovery mode starts, Thanks bro
     

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    Rond1nell1 Active Member

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    I responded earlier and I don't know why the message was identified as spam. I didn't put any links. I reported it and I'm waiting for it to be released.
     
  9. Rond1nell1

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    I will Reply:

    Let's go to a simulation:

    Method 1: Follow what comes first!

    I'm going to use Progression 1 2 1 unit at $ 10.00 as an example.

    P (Let's follow the P, $ 10.00 Bet)

    B (We lost and bet $ 20.00)

    B(We lost and bet $ 10.00)

    B (We lost and stopped and this was the first lost phase of 121)

    Let's go to another shoe start:

    B (Let's follow the B, $ 10.00 Bet)

    P (We lost and bet $ 20.00)

    P (We lost and bet $ 10.00)

    P (We lost and stopped and this was the first lost phase of 121)

    Now let's go to another start of Sapato and let's go to 242 to recover. We have 8 units lost so far.

    B (Let's follow the B, $ 20.00 Bet)

    If we win here we recover 2 units. And we can repeat 242 next time. If you recover 4 or 6 units, you can go back to 1 2 1.

    P (We lost and bet $ 40.00)

    If we win here we recover 2 units.

    P (We lost and bet $ 20.00)

    This is just a progression model. You can use 3 Martingale 1 2 4.

    Here goes the profile of each player. I'm preferring smoother progressions with few wobbles.

    I hope you understood.

    Hug!
     
  10. Rond1nell1

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    I will post another progression soon!
     
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    Brutal with all of those losses!!
     
  12. Rond1nell1

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    It was just a bad example to know where recovery starts. It was Ravinderchawla's doubt.
    And it's less aggressive than martingale.
    I'm testing progression 1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4. Lost go ahead Won lap 1 home.
     
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    Good idea. I stretch out the number of units as well.
     
  14. Rond1nell1

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    For the first strategy mentioned, I'm doing so if I see a table where at the beginning there were 4 or more alternations, I already start betting on the repetition and in the next shoe I start betting on the beginning of the shoe to repeat.
    Ex: If the shoe started with P B P B (I place a bet to repeat the B) If P comes (I bet to repeat the P) and if it comes B (I place the last bet to repeat the B).
     

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    Hi, I was going thru Evo site they have 25 baccarat tables out of which only 3 tables showed PBPB/ BPBP. at the beginning of the shoe ( Ur trigger to bet repeat in 3 attempts), U have to wait hrs to get this trigger & above all it will be difficult to play progression with only 3 bets at starting of shoe ,not practically feasible,Can u Clarify ur method of playing only 3 bets or maybe something different where triggers occur more frequently, thanks
     
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    Hello Friend,
    I see you didn't understand this example.
    I mean if the first 4 alternate drawings come out:
    It can be either P B P B or B P B P you start betting to double from the fourth alternation.
    If you follow more than 3 bets when you get a bad straight you will lose a lot.
     
  17. Rond1nell1

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    And there are many possibilities beyond these, just be creative.
    An example:
    If the shoe starts with B B B B, I wait for the next shoe and bet on the P for up to 3 rounds, going against a repeat of B B B.
     
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    It real not helful
     
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  19. Jimske

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    as usual Frank who knows nothing about Baccarat adds nothing to the conversation but wants to opine anyway with a high-minded statement making the obvious seem profound.

    There is no best way to start a shoe. But I understand the need to try to find a good way. I reviewed startups in many many shoes, thousands, trying to see if getting one way or another was best. Of course I'm not capable of exhausting every possibility. A couple of times I thought I found something but in the end it all fell off to the expected value..

    If one is playing a fixed bet selection this question never comes up. Personally I choose a way to start keeping my bets small, maybe even flat, and see whether I'm starting the game winning or losing. Depending on what happens will define the beginning of the rest of the game.
     
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    I got a little helpful hint, suggestion for ya: STOP WAGERING ON PLAYERS!!!! Yer welcome, hey hey.
     

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