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Roulette Super Seizer

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by ignatus, Dec 16, 2017.

  1. ignatus

    ignatus Member Founding Member

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    This may be one of my best Flatbet systems.

    BET:
    (1) On the current hit High or Low,--> the 2 unhit Doublestreets are bet
    (2) On the opposite High or Low,--> the LAST hit Doublestreets is *not* bet. (The remaning 2 DS are bet with 4 STREETS).
    (see example pics!)

    Progression -none- FLATBET.

    First test played with 25u bets +Live spins.
     

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  2. ignatus

    ignatus Member Founding Member

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    Test1-6.
     

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  3. ignatus

    ignatus Member Founding Member

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    Test 7. Obviously, this won't win forever, therefore keep a small wingoal,

    1000-1500u (played with 25u bets),
    200-300u (played with 5u bets)
    40-60 (played with 1u bets).
     

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  4. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I wasn't going to comment, but oh well.
    Putting a stop loss / win goal / entry point / exit point / qualification of any kind doesn't work.
    Logic can tell us that.
    If you took your best results and then threw in a "wingoal" - the chart wouldn't have looked as good.
    Therefore - putting these goals in place hurts your profit while helping on your losing sessions - it balances out the same.
    There is only one way to win, it doesn't involve waiting for some event to happen before you bet, it doesn't involve "hit and run" and trying to exit when x,y,z happens and it works every time. Focus there.
     
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  5. ignatus

    ignatus Member Founding Member

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    Thanks turbo, but then? If you look at chart 1 & 7. you'll see that the chart has it's peak at about 1500u (played with 25u bets) So, no matter how many spins i play after that, it doesn't reach a new high than that....? So, logic tells me to keep these limits, greed will kill you? IF i continue playing the chart would definitly go down. (This is not a grail? it doesn't win forever?), BUT shorterm hit-n-run within a set wingoal IT CAN win??

    so i think these limits are good(?)

    1000-1500u (played with 25u bets),
    200-300u (played with 5u bets)
    40-60 (played with 1u bets).
     
  6. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Ignatus,

    Short term + short term + short term...= long term. If a system can't win in the long run then money management and hitting and running here and there can't turn it into a consistent winner, only a fool.
     
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  7. ignatus

    ignatus Member Founding Member

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    "Short term + short term + short term...= long term" TRUE, (and so far i won 8/8 Games--> +8000u played with 25u bets) WITH a 1000u wingoal.

    Test 8.
     

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  8. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Your game is only 40 spins???

    Your testing is pointless.
     
  9. ignatus

    ignatus Member Founding Member

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    No :( but i play with a set wingoal? When that is reached i Stop/quit? i don't know how to test it otherwise? You could enlighten me, then? How you would test it?? (I play manually testing in RX, since i can't code it)
     
  10. ignatus

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    9/10 games won.
     

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  11. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    hit and run style doesn't work.
    Look at your chart 9 above - it never went into profit for a "wingoal" to be reached.
    So then you need a "lossgoal" because it never went into profit - after testing this you'll see
    that neither of these make a difference. You'll win less and lose less, you'll miss out on BIG wins while
    avoiding big losses as well - it balances out the same.

    Sir Anyone is right - take all the short sessions and put them together, you have one long session - the math and outcome are exactly the same. That's why "leaving after x happens or stopping when y happens" is a complete waste of time when something doesn't work. On the other forum there's a guy saying he plays one spin (after charting for hours). It's absurd. You could take 1 step per day and get to the same place I'm going in 10 steps but I'll be there in 5 seconds. You just delay what happens - what's the point in that ?
    The "grail ?" - stop when you want to stop and leave in profit.
    If you say "IF i continue playing the chart would go down" - that's a signal that you're doing something that doesn't work.
     
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  12. ignatus

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    Thanks turbo, :)

    "The "grail ?" - stop when you want to stop and leave in profit"- Could you give any suggestion what that would be? For an example after 3-4 losses in a row ?
     
  13. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Ignatus,

    The problem is your bet selection, NOT your money management.
     
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    100% correct.

    Ken
     

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    To be FAIR though.......even if we dont implement a win goal (stop), ya'll agree, we have to stop at SOME POINT? You wont play for 50 hours straight. So lets say you are winning winning & winning.

    When DO you stop and WHY? If you have played for 9 hours and are up nicely, (x4 of your BR).....say you quit for the day. Isn't that a FORM of win goal?

    Ken
     
  16. ignatus

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    How is that so? It DOES make profit, 90% of the time, up to a certain point. What this "point" may be i try to figure by my testings?

    IF you look at this chart for an example, IF i would have stopped at a +750u wingoal i would be a winner, now i continued playing and lost,(greed killed me?) i was trying the stoploss after 4-5 losses in a row,

    SO, NOW i figure, STOP=at -500u(or less) OR at +750u profit. (played with 25u bets)??

    Still i have no clue what you're taking about, when it comes to your moneymanagement? TG and Mr.J? :/
     

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  17. ignatus

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    OK so now i figured the wingoal=+750u, NOW i figured the stoploss =-1500u (played with 25u bets) /See chart/

    THAT would be--> played with 5u bets; wingoal=+150u Stoploss= -300u.
     

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  18. ignatus

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    That's not true. IT's a pretty solid betselection(for being flatbet);--> As you can see in this chart, "bad luck" or drawdowns do happen, but recovery is Good.
     

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  19. ignatus

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    17/20 Games won,(9/10 from first 10, 8/10 From last 10)......still i need advice,? How would you handle a Losing session, and when do you stop?
     

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    You stop when you feel like it.
    It's like taking a cross country trip and you're always moving forward - you can stop any time you want because you'll always be heading in the right direction. The wins and losses won't dictate when you stop.
     

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