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Baccarat Testing Punkcity's Flat Bet Method

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by JacobBlaze, May 7, 2022.

  1. Garfield

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    @Punkcity Yes I agree...but reviewing my own play, I don't think the LIAR I suffered had something to do with frequency of events, rather I blame it to the 'chimp' taking over....

    Each shoe will have its own combination of event (singles, doubles etc...). The main question is will you still have the bankroll when the expected event happens? Will you be able to recognize it, and make the right observation and decision?

    I'm still learning on that field....
     
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  2. JacobBlaze

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    Mongoose, this one hurt my head.....

    This is my win loss register for the session that started this thread. Switched tables 3 times.

    Attempted the Mongoose it's a little complicated, any Mongoose experts Pipe in lol

    Biggest bet 3 units
    Finished +6
    Lowest -5
    Highest +7

    https://www.rouletteforum .cc/index.php?topic=14350.0

    The best description for the Mongoose came from the respected poster George (GLC).
    Here it is:

    #1 Bet 1 unit. If win go to #2 (+1). If lose repeat #1 (-1). Move up 1 step in the progression.

    #2. Bet 2 units. If win go to #3 (+3). If lose go to #1 (-1).

    #3. Bet 1 unit. If win go to #5 (+4). If lose go to #4 (+2).

    #4. Bet 2 units. If win go to #5 (+4). If lose go to #1 (+0).

    #5. Bet 1 unit. If win go to #1 (+5). If lose go to #6 (+3).

    #6. Bet 1 unit. If win go to #5 (+4). If lose go to #7 (+2).

    #7. Bet 3 units. If win go to #1 (+5). If lose go to #1 (-1).

    ___________________
    W 1 +1 #1
    W 2 +3 #2
    L 1 +2 #3
    -------
    W 2 +4 #4
    L 1 +3 #5
    -------
    W 1 +4 #6
    L 1 +3 #5
    -------
    W 1 +4 #6
    L 1 +3 #5
    ------
    W 1 +4 #6
    L 1 +3 #5
    -------
    L 1 +2 #6
    -------
    L 3 -1 #7
    -------
    W1 E #1
    L2 -2 #2
    --------
    W 1 -1 #1
    W 2 +1 #2
    L 1 E #3
    ---------
    Ended round 1 even - commission
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    L 2 -2 #4
    L 1 -3 #1
    L 2 -5 #2
    -----------
    Ended round 2 minus 5,
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    W 1 -4 #1
    W 2 -2 #2
    W 1 -1 #3
    L 1 -2 #5
    --------------
    W 1 -1 #6
    L 1 -2 #5
    ----------
    W 1 -1 #6
    W 1 E #5
    L 1 -1 #1
    -----------
    L 1 -2 #1
    --------
    L 2 -3 #1
    -------
    W 1 -2 #1
    W 2 E #2
    L 1 -1 #3
    -----------
    W 2 +1 #4
    W 1 +2 #5
    W 1 +3 #1
    ---------
    Ended round 3 plus 3,
    ---------
    L 2 +1 #2
    --------
    W 1 +2 #1
    L 2 E #2
    -------
    L 1 -1 #1
    --------
    W 1 E #1
    W 2 +2 #2
    W 1 +3 #3
    W 1 +4 #5
    W 1 +5 #1
    W 2 +7 #2
    L 1 +6 #3
    ---------
    Ended round 4 plus 6,
    ----------
    L 2 +4 #4
    -------
    L 1 +3 #1
    -------
    L 1 +2 #1
    -------
    Ended round 5 +2,
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    W 1 +2 #1
    L 2 E #2
    --------
    W 1 +1 ,#1
    L 2 -1 #2
    -------
    W 1 E #1
    W 2 +2 #2
    W 1 +3 #3
    L 1 +2 #5
    ---------
    W 1 +3 #6
    L 1 +2 #5
    -------
    W 1 +3 #6
    L 1 +2 #5
    ------
    L 1 +1 #6
    ------
    L 3 -2 #7
    -------
    W 1 -1 #1
    L 2 -3 #2
    -------
    W 1 -2 #1
    W 2 E #2
    W 1 +1 #3
    -------
    Ended round 6 plus 1
    -------
    L 1 E #5
    -----
    W 1 +1 #6
    W 1 +2 #5
    W 1 +3 #1
    W 2 +5 #2
    L 1 +4 #3
    -------
    W 2 +6 #4
    W 1 +7 #5
    L 1 +6 #1
    -------
    Ended round 7 plus 6
    --------
    L 2 +4 #2
    -------
    L 1 +3 #1
    -------
    W 1 +4 #1
    W 2 +6 #2
    W 1 +7 #3
    L 1 +6 #5
    ----------
    Ended round 8 +6,
    Session +6
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  3. soxfan

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    Yeah, this tables-hopping/casino-hoppings make no sense to me, at all, hey hey.
     
  4. Punkcity

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    I’m good with it . I never understood why someone would stay at the same seat, same table hour after hour, unless they have a particular method that requires it , personally I can’t see any method that would be more viable to a single table.

    My own reason to move tables is , I’ve finished with this particular session, I’m going for a break, or the party ain’t happening here as far as my criteria is concerned. As for different casinoverse, we don’t have that option here in skipptophia but I would assume it’s similar to moving to the high rollers section and back to main gaming floor. Cheers
     
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    What was the selection criteria used? Cheers
     
  6. JacobBlaze

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    Kangaroo Meat Full Meal Deal (3+)

    Same w/l string as original post just played it using different MMs
     
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    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Cheers
    Straight flat bet you up +7 as you 46 win , 39 loss ish ?
    I assume the round 1-8 notation represents different sessions? If so I will post the 2 unit theory later today skipptophia time as I’m picking up the baby koalaracoon from the back paddock. Cheers
     
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  8. JacobBlaze

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    +8 but maybe miscounted somewhere...

    8 shoes and parts of shoes...

    This was the original win/lose string that opened this thread..
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    End of session +8
    minus 5% commission of 1.3 units...

    Total 6.7 units for 8 round flat bet PunkyPuppet session

    ($670 kangaroos)

    Biggest LIAR 4 (loss in a row)

    Biggest WIAR 6 (win in a row)
     
  9. Punkcity

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    As promised here is the Cadbury glass and a half betting application to your 8 sessions.

    I was going to fully refer to it as the way we know it here in skipptophia as being the stroke the shaft, cup the sack method, lol.

    Here’s the rules
    Let’s assume to disregard commission or 1/2 price payout on bank wins for the sake of the exercise, can give rules for that later etc.
    Start all first bets at double unit value
    For simplicity say $200. =2 units.

    First bet wins , then you only bet 1 unit on next decision

    2nd bet wins at 1 unit , then only bet 1 unit again on the next decision

    3rd bet wins ( lucky boyboy, lucky girlgirl) at 1 unit.

    You have won 3 in a row. You are up 4 units ($400) this is the stroke the shaft part .

    Now we want to capitalise by cupping the sack part of the betting sequence.

    For the fourth bet selection we now add a full unit ($100) and bet 2 units ($200) if the 4 th bet selection wins we chip up 1 unit ($100) to bet 3 units on the 5 th bet selection
    Totally cupping the sack now , each successive wins in a row we chip up 1 unit until we lose the next bet selection.
    This is the Cadbury glass and a half ( stroke the shaft, cup the sack) betting application.

    IF
    You lose .....
    ok if you win the first bet selection at 2 units ($200) as per above rules you bet 1 unit ($100) on the 2 nd selected decision

    It , the second decision LOSES .
    Stop
    You have booked a 1 unit profit ($100) .

    So you decided to start again in that shoe a couple of hands later
    Your next bet is once again the 2 unit ($200) starting bet on the selected decision.

    NOTE here I’m assuming the - - - spaces on your quoted post above means ( to me ) that you are still at same shoe but watch a couple hands dealt before continuing as per the hands played to your “round 1” cut off.

    IF
    That new selected decision ALSO losses you continue to flat bet the full 2 units that you started with in this immediate hands played. You bet the 2 units to recover the 2 units already lost , continue with 2unit betting until loss recovery or you decide to book a small loss or = for that session.

    If you have lost a 2 unit first bet but win the next bet at 2 units you are now = / even you bet 2 units again if you have a 3 Rd selection decision IF that wins you are up 2 units THEN your next bet selection decision is now back to 1 unit bet. ( technically this 4th bet in this particular sequence of the discussion is the same as the 2nd bet of the above winning example and would lead you to the cupping the sack sequence of increased unit etc)

    So that should be as plain as mud.
    Lol

    For the 8 rounds you have listed above as W,L etc. I have using the above Cadbury betting application the following results
    Round 1 ,+5 units
    Round 2 , -6 units
    Round 3 , +7 units
    Round 4 , +7 units
    Round 5 , +1 units
    Round 6 , +5 units
    Round 7 , +3 units
    Round 8 , - 2 units

    Total +20 units
    Cheers
     
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  10. JacobBlaze

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    Thanks, I will be stroking the shaft and cupping the sack later...lol

    I have saved this and will fully test it.

    You are right it was same shoe just took a few hand breaks... I'm settleling on 3 to 4 loss in a row quiting of.the shoe... And asking for a new shuffle.. i avoid the bad shoes that had me down 6 to 9 units .. but I still lose 3 in a row immediately on a new shoe.. shuffle and then followed by another 3 loss in a row... But that's just variance....

    This is my last morning of this casino trip and I was as high +30 units flat betting.. just had a bad run of consecutive -3, -4 shoes all day today even after taking breaks etc... and am currently only at +10, no 6,7,8 wins in a row in a few days lol still nice $1000 kangaroos and meals, room etc, I even got a free deep fryer..lol they give out weekly gifts here..
     
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  11. JacobBlaze

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    Casino trip report continued....................

    All bets where made using my dumbed down version of flat bet PunkyPuppets stadium thread...
    Was +26 at this point at this casino, with the above session 1, plus 8, 8 shoes
    session 2 +18,
    3 shoes(lucky back to back shoes with slutty break between lol)

    Session 3 -8, 22 shoes (drifted away from some of my stop loss rules in late shoes that could have made this session a less loss/maybe even a slight winner. I also incorporated some of the other MMs in the last few shoes of this session, bailey, and G3M etc, that increased my loss due to bad run at end of the session.

    So true take home profit was 10 units minus commission.

    I chose to record it all just flat bet for forum purposes, which would have actually had me take home +18 units minus after commission and 33 total shoes.....

    This 33 shoe casino trip could have been vastly improved if I would have used the punky rule "quit while ahead and look for ladyboys" rule aka "why continue to play all shoe when you got yourself +1,+2,+3, etc profit already" I will actually play this 3 sessions back and see where I really would have been at unit wise by incorporating this rule by the Great PUNKY Puppet.


    For scoring purposes I will call this session 3, long as session with multiple days and total of 22 shoes.

    The format is day,
    time (military 24 hour clock princesses)
    Shoe #

    There are probably recording.errors etc , but you can get the overall point... I just I took home about 9 more.units than what I started with..etc

    9may 2245 (1045pm) #1 shoe

    W
    L
    W
    W
    L
    W
    W
    W
    W
    W
    L
    8w 3l +5
    total +5

    10 May 0731 #2

    W
    W
    W
    W
    L
    L
    L
    L
    4w 4l Even
    Total +5


    10 May 0853 #3
    W
    W
    L
    L
    L
    W
    L
    L
    W
    L
    4w 6l -2
    Total +3

    10 May 1450 #4
    W
    L
    W
    L
    L
    W
    L
    W
    W
    L
    W
    6w 5l +1
    Total +4

    10 May 1541 #5
    W
    L
    W
    W
    L
    3w 2 l +1
    Total +5

    10 May 1641 #6
    W
    L
    W
    W
    W
    L
    L
    L
    W
    W
    W
    L
    7w 5 w +2
    Total +7

    11 may 0008 #7
    L
    W
    L
    W
    L
    L
    L
    2w 5l -3
    Total +4

    11 may 0044 #8
    L
    W
    W
    W
    W
    W
    L
    W
    W
    L
    W
    L
    W
    L
    9w 5 l +4
    Total +8

    11 may 0146 #9
    L
    W
    L
    W
    W
    L
    L
    W
    L
    W
    5w 5l even
    Total +8

    11 may 0737 #10
    W
    W
    L
    L
    W
    L
    W
    W
    L
    W
    L
    W
    L
    W

    8w 6l +2
    Total +10

    11 may 0829 #11
    L
    L
    L
    0w 3l -3
    Total +7

    11 may 0849 #12
    L
    L
    L
    0w 3l -3
    Total +4

    11 may 1700 #13
    W
    L
    W
    L
    W
    L
    W
    L
    W
    W
    L
    W
    L
    7w 6l +1
    Total +5

    11 may 1750 #14
    W
    W
    W
    L
    L
    W
    L
    W
    L
    L
    W
    W
    L
    7 w 6l +1
    Total +6

    11 may 1847 #15
    L
    L
    L
    0w 3l -3
    Total +3

    11 May 1917 #16
    W
    W
    W
    L
    W
    L
    L
    W
    L
    5w 4l +1
    Total +4

    11 may 2000 #17
    L
    W
    L
    W
    W
    W
    L
    W
    W
    L
    6w 4l +2
    Total +6

    12 May 0550 #18
    W
    L
    L
    L
    1w 3l -2
    Total +4

    12 May 0648 #19
    L
    L
    L
    0w 3l
    Total +1

    12 May 1344 #20
    W
    L
    W
    L
    W
    L
    L
    L
    W
    L
    4w 6l -2
    Total -1

    13 may 0200 #21
    L
    W
    W
    L
    W
    L
    W
    L
    L
    L
    W
    L
    L
    L
    W
    L
    L
    6W 11 L -5
    Total -6

    13 may 0332 , #22 shoe
    L
    W
    L
    L
    W
    L
    L
    W
    W
    L
    4w 6l -2
    Total -8

    Yoyoyo CookASock....
     
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  12. Punkcity

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    Yes on revision you will see a different profit and dependable exit points.

    Perhaps an element of fatigue may also be a subtle profit leech. (11/05/2022) long day.

    For mine , that post of yours is a classic reference point , especially after you review the potentially correct exit points, for getting a visual representation of more work is not necessary to get more money.
    Nice work and thanks for the post. Cheers
     
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    "Perhaps an element of fatigue may also be a subtle profit leech. (11/05/2022) long day."

    I try not to play if tired, I have a pretty open schedule to rest and play whenever I am feeling my best .

    Its not as.bad as it seems, the bets are pretty robotic.
    And that day I mostly played 2 or 3 hours and went to rest or sleep whenever tired and when I naturally wake up and feel refreshed I go play again... No alarms or schedule involved ..lol 24 hour tables and hotel stays, room service etc...

    On that day 11 May I played...
    From midnight to about 230 am, then 730 am until about 930 am,
    Then 5pm(1700) until about 9pm(2100)

    Slutty time in between and went swimming, massages etc
     
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    Nice lifestyle.
    So you are starting to get the mechanical aspect I was talking about/ attempting to show the process during our dialogue? The exit points become automatic also , as you can see from the experience of your last posted session play you get to see first hand that more hands played not always = to more profit. The mini /micro sessions within the day session yields the +1,+2,+5 or -1,,-3 that will ACTUALLY accumulate to the +80,+100 monthly unit profit. At least that’s my personal experience and full disclosure it may not always work 100% for myself every session but enough that I would call it a successful selection criteria.

    Others may not actually achieve the same results, that’s a given, but you seem to be chipping away at it nicely. I seem to get the opinion you are happier with the undertaking ( selection criteria) because you are actually playing unencumbered / no real distractions .
    Keep in mind the stroke the shaft, cup the sack betting application, perhaps apply to latest posted session after you revise for the natural exit points.

    Cheers
     

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    Here is an interesting application from member twoup , I’ve not really come across the likes of this before. At first glance it has possibilities in the 3-7 wiar runs etc cheers
    Could be modified also.
     
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    D2A8FD2E-8837-4926-B573-9D10E7021987.jpeg
    a picture says a thousand words

    I just say yeah boyiiiiie
    Stadium, 25second game, main game floor, casinoverse skipptophia. Today about 6:35 pm.
    Last bet was loss on 2nd last banker, chipped up to table maximum, 2screens for the last 8 straight wins of the 16 straight winning hands bet on .

    Straight shaft stroke and cup the sack aka Cadbury bet application for first 6 wins of the 16 , then max 1 screen for 7 th win which basically paid for the max bet on second screen for the 8th wins, then just cowboyed on until barebacked out. Unfortunately couldn’t get a 3rd screen to happen.
    sweet baby monkey.
     
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    That is a sick streak on small road...

    Is it unlimited shoe?
     
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    I see it. LOL.. Nice.
     
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    No live deal stadium, $1000 maximum, although I prefer rng stadium, I’m not adverse to live play , especially at the start, 3-10 hands in on new shoes.
     
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    Yes it was , had only managed a few 5-8 win streak of late ,lots of 2 and 3s , this was a nice pick me up, I think that was the longest in that sequence I’ve had . Nice. Cheers
     

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