Baccarat The Boxer (progression)

Hello guys,

This is one of my favourite progressions which although a little bit more unforgiving than the G3M1, it certainly packs a punch delivering 8 units back for your 1 unit stake.

Here we go...

The Boxer is both a concise and potent progression. It limits the amount of net risk at any given point to a paltry 1 unit, while delivering a hefty 8 unit net profit on just a 4 win window of results. The Boxer predominately employs ''up as you win'', with some use of ''re-betting'' of losing bets.
Winning bets progress 1a to 2a, 2a to 2b, 2b to 3b, and 3c back to 3b. Note: Winning 3b completes the series. Losing bets progress (1a remains at 1a) 2a back to 1a, 2b back to 2a, 3b to 3c and 3c back to 1a to start over.

The Boxer is a good progression for environments that will regularly produce either short streaks, or close knit groups of wins.

Here are a few examples....

1. -1, +1, +2a, -2b, +2a, -2b, -2a. (2 coups resulting in -2)
2. -1, -1, +1, +2a, -2b, +2a, +2b, -3b, +3c, +3b. (3 coups resulting in +6)
3. -1, +1, +2a, +2b, -3b, -3c. (2 coups resulting in -2)
4. +1, +2a, -2b, +2a, +2b, +3b. (1 coup resulting in +8)

 

Interesting progression!
Thank you
Why don't you add the M1 at the end (when 2a or 3c loose)

 

Thanks! I never thought of that, but it's a good variation of the G3M1 where you then don't strictly need 3 consecutive wins to make a good hit.

 

Hi Baccarou. Not wanting to be lazy I have looked through your previous posts, but, can’t find any explanation of what is meant by the a b c references. If you have a spare minute could you please enlighten me. Thanks in advance.

 

Hello Leander,

There is nothing you need to know extra about the letters. It's just the way it was originally presented.



cheers

 

I played around a bit with this today using Peterpan's suggestion of tacking on the 2 units at the end similar to the 2 unit Martingale component for G3M1 and also added Blacktiger's idea of after 2 losses, waiting for a virtual W before starting up again.

Here were the results using the Spielbank Wiesbaden numbers for today.

Just betting Black and the M next to the 2 unit bet is the Martingale component.

R 1a
R 2m -3 (wait now for virtual B)
B
B 1a
B 2a
B 2b
R 3b
B 3c
R 3b
R 3c
R 2m -3 (I don't stop after 2 losses if the next bet is the Martingale component)
R
B
B 1a
R 2a
B 2m +1
B 1a
B 2a
R 2b
R 2a
B 2m +1
B 1a
R 2a
R 2m -3
R
B
R 1a
R 2m -3
R
B
B 1a
B 2a
R 2b
B 2a
B 2b
B 3b +8
B 1a
R 2a
B 2m +1
R 1a
B 2m +1
R 1a
B 2m +1
R 1a
B 2m +1
B 1a
B 2a
B 2b
R 3b
R 3c
R 2m -3
R
R
R
R
B
B 1a
B 2a
R 2b
B 2a
R 2b
B 2a
B 2b
B 3b +8
B 1a
B 2a
R 2b
B 2a
B 2b
B 3b +8
B 1a
B 2a
B 2b
B 3b +8
B 1a
R 2a
R 2m -3
R
B
B 1a
B 2a
R 2b
R 2a
R 2m -3
B
B 1a
R 2a
R 2m -3
B
B 1a
B 2a (incomplete game) +3

Total +16.

Adding the 2m helps in a chop scenario otherwise just using the standard Boxer and you caught in a losing spiral although it's only a 1 unit loss each time.

R 1a loss -1
b 1a win
R 2a loss -1
B 1a win
R 2a loss -1
B 1a win
R 2a loss -1 and on it goes as long as the chop continues. So the 2m can help in those circumstances.

cheers

 

Just to see what would have happened using the same rules as above and betting on Red.

R 1a
R 2a
B 2b
B 2a
B 2m -3 (wait now for virtual R)
B
R
B 1a
R 2m +1
R 1a
R 2a
R 2b
B 3b
B 3c
R 2m +1
B 1a
B 2m -3
B
R
R 1a
B 2a
B 2m -3
R
R 1a
R 2a
B 2b
R 2a
R 2b
R 3b +8
B 1a
B 2m -3
B
R
B 1a
B 2m -3
B
B
R
B 1a
R 2m +1
B 1a
R 2m +1
B 1a
R 2m +1
B 1a
B 2m -3
B
B
R
R 1a
R 2a
R 2b
R 3b +8
R 1a
R 2a
B 2b
B 2a
B 2m -3
R
B 1a
R 2m +1
B 1a
B 2m -3
B
B
B
R
B 1a
B 2m -3
B
B
B
B
B
B
R
R 1a
R 2a
B 2b
B 2a
B 2m -3
R
R 1a
R 2a
B 2b
B 2a
R 2m +1
R 1a
B 2a
B 2m -3
B

Total = -10.

cheers

 

Playing for the dominant. I have not used the virtual win rule here.

R
R
B 1a
B 2m -3 (terrible 2)
B 1a
B 2a
R 2b
B 2a
R 2b
R 2a
R 2m +1
R 1a
B 2a
B 2m -3 (terrible 2)
R 1a
B 2m +1
B 1a
B 2a
R 2b
R 2a
B 2m -3
B 1a
R 2m -3
R 1a
R 2m +1
B 1a
R 2m +1
R 1a
R 2a
B 2b
B 2a
B 2m +1
R 1a
B 2m +1
B 1a
B 2a
B 2b
R 3b
B 3c
R 3b
B 3c
R 3b
B 3c
R 3b
B 3c
B 3b +8
B 1a
B 2a
R 2b
R 2a
R 2m +1
R 1a
R 2a
R 2b
R 3b +8
B 1a
B 2m -3 (terrible 2)
B 1a
R 2a
B 2m +1
R 1a
B 2m +1
B 1a
B 2a
B 2b
B 3b +8
R 1a
B 2m +1
B 1a
B 2a
B 2b
B 3b +8
B 1a
B 2a
B 2b
R 3b
R 3c
R 2m +1
B 1a
B 2m -3 (terrible 2)
B 1a
R 2a
R 2m -3 (terrible 2)
R 1a
B 2a
B 2m -3 (terrible 2)
R 1a
R 2m -3 (terrible 2)
B 1a
B 2m -3 (terrible 2)
B

+13 is not bad and like I said in Blacktiger's thread, when playing the dominant, the 2's can hurt you when they are appearing above average.

cheers

 

4 terrible twos should be our stop limit, i guess? What do you think?

 

In the above example, there were no singles in that bad run of 2's.

You had...

RR
BBB
RRR
BB
RR
BBB

So you could wait for a few singles to try and break things up a bit, but as always, there are no guarantees.

 

When I face two losses, I am waiting for a virtual win. Of course there's no guarantee for not facing again the same situation

 

There are a few different ways how you can tackle the 2's.

Looking at those last few results again where we had 5 lot's of -3 because of the 2's...

R
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
B
B

Let's run a second stream and we will add (S) Same and (D) Different. Basically all that means is that if something repeats, it's (S) and if something chops, it's (D)

R
R S
B D
B S
B S
R D
R S
R S
B D
B S
R D
R S
B D
B S
B S

What happens if we run the same betting strategy as above using the (S) and (D) assuming the (S) is the dominant one as it was in the example above.

R
R S 1a
B D 2a
B S 2m +1
B S 1a
R D 2a
R S 2m +1
R S 1a
B D 2a
B S 2m +1
R D 1a
R S 2m +1
B D 1a
B S 2m +1
B S 1a (incomplete game) +1

A run of terrible two's on the Black or Red side becomes a dominant scenario on the (S) and (D) side and it's one way to take advantage of the terrible 2's without losing.

Running multiple streams takes more time and effort but there are a lot of advantages to doing so.

cheers

 

That's Oscar Grind.

 

I wouldn't say the Boxer is too similar to Oscar's Grind. At least you are only ever losing 1 unit per coup should you be unsuccessful.

With Oscar's, the losses can creep up.

Look at this scenario...

1) L -1 (-1)
2) L -1 (-2)
3) L -1 (-3)
4) L -1 (-4)
5) L -1 (-5)
6) W +1 (-4)
7) L -2 (-6)
8) W +2 (-4)
9) L -3 (-7)
10) W +3 (-4)
11) L -4 (-8)
12) W 4 (-4)
13) L -5 (-9)

In that chop scenario the losses keep escalating the losing total. In the situation above, you would only be -3 with the G3M1 and tacking that Martingale component on to the end of the boxer and you would be only -1.

GLC (George) on one of the old forums came up with a unique way to play Oscar's years ago. I remember testing it back in the day.
His suggestion was a delayed Oscar's where you waited until you had 5 wins before you raised the bet and carried on in this fashion.

L -1
L -1
L -1
L -1
L -1
L -1
L -1
W +1 (1ST WIN)
W +1 (2ND WIN)
W +1 (3RD WIN)
W +1 (4TH WIN)
L -1
L -1
L -1
W +1 (5TH WIN AND RAISE TO 2)
L -2
L -2
L -2
W +2 (6TH WIN)
L -2
L -2
L -2
L -2
W +2 (7TH WIN)
W +2 (8TH WIN)
L -2
L -2
L -2
L -2
W +2 (9TH WIN)
L -2
L -2
W +2 (10TH WIN AND RAISE TO 3)
W +3 (11TH WIN)
W +3 (12TH WIN)
L -3
W +3 (13TH WIN)
W +3 (14TH WIN)
L -3
L -3
L -3
W +3 (15TH WIN AND RAISE TO 4)
W +4 (16TH WIN)
W +4 (17TH WIN)
L -4
L -4
L -4
W +4 (18TH WIN)
W +4 (19TH WIN)
W +4 (20TH WIN AND RAISE TO 5)
L -5
L -5
W +5 (21ST WIN)
W +5 (22ND WIN)
W +5 (23RD WIN)

22 WINS VS 29 LOSSES FOR A TOTAL OF +1.

It's a case of pick your poison and hope for the best!

 

I like the tiered approach. Keeps the losses to a minimum pain!

 

If you run the standard Oscar's through the above, you won the first coup for +1 after 11 spins.
The second coup was unfinished with the bets at 17 units having reached a high of -113 and currently at -80.

 

Meanwhile the Boxer was around -4 and never got any worse than -11 and so it's a big difference from the volatility of a standard Oscar.

 

You are right mate! There is no point in losing the farm when that bad day comes around.
Even some of the safer progressions can get up there like the divisor when things are going badly but they are not going to be a total disaster like the Marti or Labouchere etc...

 

I like this MM too like the Mongoose you only lose unit but sometimes did a transition to more aggressive positive if the played table matches one of 3 BS, then finishing by protecting my wins by transition to Template . GLC style Positive then Negative my win goal 5-10 units then navigate again. It works for me. Positive MM will win more if you are lucky in that particular table.

 

I still prefer standard Oscar though. It's simpler.